From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 24 13:27:02 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IZuWD-0005vF-Qf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:27:02 -0700 Received: from silene.metacarta.com ([65.77.47.18]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IZuW9-0005ur-Lg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:27:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (silene.metacarta.com [65.77.47.18]) by silene.metacarta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9178D14C838F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from silene.metacarta.com ([65.77.47.18]) by localhost (silene.metacarta.com [65.77.47.18]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05045-07 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [65.77.47.173] (isolation.metacarta.com [65.77.47.173]) by silene.metacarta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE6E14C8D07 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46F81D8D.1090307@ropine.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:26:53 -0400 From: Seth Gordon User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070607) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Question to native English speakers References: <3ccac5f10709240731m128e16bbu376cf0191d37a110@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850709240904p3f6e633csb49205991f4fc827@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560709241214q46429ef1p35560a4c1ad3c001@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560709241214q46429ef1p35560a4c1ad3c001@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at metacarta.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13848 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sethg@ropine.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 9/24/07, Joel Shellman wrote: >> For me anyway, this specific example almost certainly would mean >> Another (World Map) because: >> >> 1) World Map is almost a compound word--very often used together. >> 2) The context would indicate most likely that Another (World Map) is >> intended. Very very few times do we discuss maps of other worlds, so >> unless you're at a sci-fi convention or something, it's almost >> certainly A(WM). > > I doubt that's the reason. I think for any pair of nouns, > "another noun1 noun2" can only be read as "another (noun1 noun2)". This native speaker thinks you're right. In English, "noun1 noun2" can be read as a single noun phrase, with noun1 in the construct state. Then "another noun1 noun2" applies the determiner "another" to the noun phrase "noun1 noun2". But "another noun1" can't be parsed as a noun in the construct state, so the reading "(another noun1) noun2" fails. You might be able to override this reading with intonation--"a-NO-ther-world MAP"--but it would sound weird. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.