From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 25 08:24:40 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaCH9-0006g5-Mh for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:40 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IaCH7-0006ff-GF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 22098 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2007 15:24:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lY1Juxrcjc6N1pp4aipnJzZivxaUF3n3cyNEXyoy4Dc4WuM8QyNQHhK5q07O5p/AGc9PEkshcYFehBjFT8Yty8Dj4i33S471G1BYiBXF+DF5Uad4raS/YsrfxtpkNfV7Y5E+BnshN20JI1Woxp7+ONJDIat+NdPEW6g7JHPsmZg=; X-YMail-OSG: Nx9logUVM1kwlwnVzbm383WN_7lN491scSYGfqccso6QTGg7C.YR2Y88.0Q2Q3_GGw-- Received: from [71.8.203.133] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:30 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Question to native English speakers To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560709250635u34a3c341p76f11ebb37483c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <892552.22037.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: 5 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13851 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 9/24/07, Joel Shellman wrote: > > > > After googling, I found one non-authoritive account stating that > > adj-noun-noun combos should always be considered adj (noun noun) > > unless there is a hyphen between the first two words. > > Sounds right, at least for most cases. But "another" is a special > adjective, as it includes a determiner, so "another-world map" won't > really work either. > > "Another World map" seems to work with the (AW)M parsing only when > "Another World" is the name of a place, similar to "United States map". > For example: "There was an Another World map on the wall". > > > I > > would say that adj-noun-noun combos will be intended and interpreted > > either way depending on the context, intonation, etc. in casual > > conversation and writing. > > For normal adjectives, yes. For "another", unless used as a name, > what context could give the "(another noun) noun" reading? Not context so much as intonation and juncture: longer pause before "map" than between "another" and "world," stress and higher pitch on "another" but level to "world" and falling on "map" (approximately, in my idiolect). > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.