From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 21 14:38:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IjiVd-0005B0-EE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:38:57 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IjiVb-0005Ar-Bg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:38:57 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m16so1094666waf for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=ydbYjVKJMcw6mtQXs0JDc25BMbOpQURj0U5L0HZFtxY=; b=W7eARCh2r6e4csTbh6qMMrLc6tFbi3s4RKT7gg8zEZLlCWaz6reiuJptjFGbHKna45yXlknV1zqIDOohdKPjgxoHtFvbaAUNkhFNHIXlPZTKOZAUFFXXGuE5VhEIjY6vRivhrwosWCcSW/IXAc8cZNBDBDjE+uJVonU9utMCOu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=ikPwkWxErGT5DUhtymz7bVl6k7Zj5UNxgV/AS+tPZrL4DG/S1A/5FcmWPbuFM2bZa32uiNYLeljzcM4Mf8hfVfP0S6PO89LmMd3S+vyMFSP2XM8w0Vyp0QoI6BwDY37eZA/6gJOLWAnWdipGKJx5CjfM+4yuaYYjDnWSnktRclg= Received: by 10.115.95.1 with SMTP id x1mr4613320wal.1193002734282; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.19.14 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160710211438u786ace25pc0795eefe9c07e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:38:54 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: "Lojban list" Subject: [lojban] What is X but Y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12814_1837495.1193002734277" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 04e950755f2ddbbd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13880 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_12814_1837495.1193002734277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A while ago I did a draft translation of the first half of the chapter "On giving" from "The Prophet". That chapter features several instances of the idiomatic construction "What is X but Y?". I tried a somewhat literal rendering, but am not very confident in it. Here's a short example. And what is fear of need but need itself? i je lo za'i terpa lo za'i nitcu cu du ma .o nai lo je'u za'i nitcu It's the {ma .o nai} that I'm not too thrilled about. Any suggestions? mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_12814_1837495.1193002734277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A while ago I did a draft translation of the first half of the chapter "On giving" from "The Prophet". That chapter features several instances of the idiomatic construction "What is X but Y?". I tried a somewhat literal rendering, but am not very confident in it. Here's a short example.

And what is fear of need but need itself?
i je lo za'i terpa lo za'i nitcu cu du ma .o nai lo je'u za'i nitcu

It's the {ma .o nai} that I'm not too thrilled about. Any suggestions?

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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