From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 27 06:43:48 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix1ex-0003ia-Hf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:43:46 -0800 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com ([72.14.214.234]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix1ei-0003gq-UF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:43:30 -0800 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 19so969544hue for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:43:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=t9of4R4UDxLeKWgxCNowzySfrI+qrWrXbc3g/CDBq9Y=; b=HBOiFlqaxy9ffaW5c9HrOXuCqGhSpPRrdSqmcyv9u4inMzJPs6tYg3EytA1ib9IFM5dU+t82nEdFpJk9A25PDmLmOf594Z2/pptZxKPtdl0aDIOsdIMiFU7gw01yhcze1MdQOlFTYRzM4mdBV68hrKqgsFVjlpM2eqAqRNeVfAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qIavRDFSXMvZGKIW7stHRF6IqJqMl31eYEeUhtXtKgp47IwXgVKp+QRz8G9+LhEwwDgt8U2jiQ4HJSFKDA1ptHq3yBkabvYju8tkUGJvKbtmklPpBTSXKUO4uAbD6q+4vDiBjkv/sGmni0F60KeHcpHyzYGEu+DYgi7jnWBEE8I= Received: by 10.86.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr3895469fgb.1196174584662; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560711270643s2daa9e63gf458a7af3b96c384@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:43:04 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The phonotactics of cmevla In-Reply-To: <200711262333.50038.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560711230810s556341cdh6cad83b5c2d1dd0b@mail.gmail.com> <200711262333.50038.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 11/27/07, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 23 November 2007 11:10, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > What I have done in the current version of the PEG morphology is to > > allow any string of phonemes for names in general (maintaining pairwise > > acceptability), but I also created a subclass of names "jbocme" for > > properly Lojbanic names, which allows only those names that consist > > purely of normal Lojban syllables. > > I think that this is a good idea, as my previous idea of allowing the last > syllable to have an extra onset at the end, and the first syllable to > optionally have a coda at the beginning, was a bit ugly. However I > consider "-rk" and "-nk" to be valid codas, or more generally, any syllabic > consonant followed by another consonant that doesn't violate the adjacent > consonant rules. Using that rule, {mark} is a jbocme but {marks} isn't. That would go together with the issue of "fas-xo-lark-to"-like fu'ivla. If they are allowed, then {mark} would be called jbocme. > This, however, would demote cmevla formed by deleting the last vowel of a > gismu to not-quite-Lojbanic status if they end in two non-syllabic > consonants, such as {resp}. How about allowing one extra consonant at the > end? I'd rather not, but since this would now be just a matter of classification, it doesn't really matter much. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.