From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 04 08:58:03 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Izb5t-0005xh-9d for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:58:02 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Izb5f-0005xH-Hi for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:57:56 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so3117232rvf for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:57:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zqvHXLAUmH+YY9COoeEEDI+SL1+CsCYdKL20K8IPGIs=; b=XJUleMHMuWLM1c1okII9fbkkULVtECTtjfyrZyJyg/RoZA+qPElteS5qY/bd1mmxJexpjg7tjDgdC+l7zUCiOtX99PGGyNThyOeGqVXtF9oKE6XK3UNPe76hgNf7qQ2mg5Ixnjs6m79NNBjYxNUQAhD6koS1K8ZQvtMomg6HXaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mSrR5F7U7i6TfUMCWVfWmgtGGU4stqBMDgxhy1hDn8cdi1O02ChbC9C/N7/7nrgcnnJ29/OnFNYLi0IbJb0PB+MEIyolFFUov/ik2tgDbDpckTm8BO/NXZfT8kHbC0xx+6idwCOtSZXuTax7Jbw2eIwxhpX9OTvwPbIPjP0EP34= Received: by 10.141.129.14 with SMTP id g14mr449293rvn.1196787457548; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.16 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:57:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <97f5058c0712040857j6e7e3773l8869fb559b77bf16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:57:37 +0800 From: Penguino To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Word for "bless" In-Reply-To: <925d17560712040746u2568066dlefa262f9d493ef45@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11199_12292602.1196787457544" References: <97f5058c0712030123l24c3e6bfj5d57187ac9b9eca@mail.gmail.com> <47556C65.9060108@kli.org> <925d17560712040746u2568066dlefa262f9d493ef45@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 13977 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_11199_12292602.1196787457544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I agree. The definition should probably be "neutralized", paralleling *cnemu* and *dimna*. On Dec 4, 2007 11:46 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On 12/4/07, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > > It's been pointed out to me that {dapma} really > > should be construed to cover both bless and curse, since both involve > > "dooming with words" so to speak. > > If so, the English definition needs serious rewriting. All the words used > (curse/damn/condemn) seem to require a negative fate. The definition > of {dimna}, for instance, makes it clear that it can be used both for > negative or positive fates. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > ------=_Part_11199_12292602.1196787457544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I agree. The definition should probably be "neutralized", p= aralleling cnemu and dimna.

On Dec 4, 2007 11:46 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas < jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/4/07, Mark E. Shoulson &l= t; mark@kli.org> wrote:
>  I= t's been pointed out to me that {dapma} really
> should be constr= ued to cover both bless and curse, since both involve
> "dooming= with words" so to speak.

If so, the English definition needs serious rewriting. All th= e words used
(curse/damn/condemn) seem to require a negative fate. The d= efinition
of {dimna}, for instance, makes it clear that it can be used b= oth for
negative or positive fates.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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