From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 18 15:46:34 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4m8v-0002EP-AX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:34 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4m8j-0002Dz-1C for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:30 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so2300390rvf.46 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=q9Y8qntXg+RHrkFUro7NYXUmc65CwWIoKYoEkESEZoo=; b=dakzHzfpZ3m13DnzLBjYWUfws2F/yqpLZD0QMg43SJC19Kd35ESVtlEodNuW1jKuKIfRs1NhVXdv3h40Z7f9dclT+Ac/tRbReO3jupcxcA6LK/+AhLzdy4CSP0wmAnWDqmrPhDpaETyjEQ0iCip/ucfZkc/GxA1fiOv9Wvhsh5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=g/OwwhJ3UJXHxK3tIUeoG+eAm73XrJiTg9GwXdmQ6hhh34YdDi/R2zs7ZjYU33NCgM8lfeDqbQ0fRpo4TgtiRlFRhzZevZvcMbeRLHfuywewSyrTmkRRzmlnOVhh2JD86oHc2rza7aXrEQgesnz4S2Cwh5iiY6bZapkc4Eu+KYk= Received: by 10.141.33.21 with SMTP id l21mr1115837rvj.105.1198021578233; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.147.16 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:46:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <97f5058c0712181546m7773b121g52c1ecc3a64348ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:46:18 +0800 From: Penguino To: lojban-list Subject: [lojban] "Magician" - a case of deliberate polysemy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9213_24985290.1198021578224" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_9213_24985290.1198021578224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The English word "magician" can both mean the stage magician, and the sorcerer. Now *termakfa* is definitely correct for the second sense. However, because of the tendency to believe that the stage performer actually performs magic, I suspect it would end up applying to the stage magician as well. This would be a case of human desires deliberately creating ambiguity. *C'est la vie*. (*ti selkai loi selfri*?) Perhaps that is what the x2 of *makfa* is for: something may be "magic" to me, but not to the performer. *zo'o* ------=_Part_9213_24985290.1198021578224 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The English word "magician" can both mean the stage magician, and the sorcerer. Now termakfa is definitely correct for the second sense. However, because of the tendency to believe that the stage performer actually performs magic, I suspect it would end up applying to the stage magician as well. This would be a case of human desires deliberately creating ambiguity. C'est la vie. (ti selkai loi selfri?)

Perhaps that is what the x2 of makfa is for: something may be "magic" to me, but not to the performer. zo'o



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