From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 28 11:12:01 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8Kci-0006XR-MW for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:12:01 -0800 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.239]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8Kcc-0006WU-MH for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:12:00 -0800 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so801474nze.1 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:11:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=BR5eO/uK5VaSm4lPkMw28I381KqbWpP9hR82pdXaE3Q=; b=BVS7xB2U151Dde59apNj7VXngH0ymC//IlgT5zkoeTcOjt8AqmFeBkkcJA0CG+38lKZ7X60vXVIU3lgj/dbV65oY0yQAlU4V9Y0iZ2cPm40nsXInwgF7PDuqf/tOyIL/efjx/ssvsWSd3EwZ8DnWclJI/9SDWbENmYj52TjgmhE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=ie62UbS8Ejd8gmFSsBS7UyZ3nMcS580id46oPK5CcUs2UOvNu8uAVuYIyEHm0u4wb1rj6/sbYo+V5MGClUuGMNbha3Lyj94kqANlRdO+zLgLvoGS8jSJFZk6QRmFIViEXs6pvaNRWQTUPn/G5LMBxdGzIIWt1zFYxpyGP8IeMBk= Received: by 10.143.6.1 with SMTP id j1mr3211643wfi.45.1198869110074; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.153.4 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:11:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12d58c160712281111y40eb4b4at6f8ac11476468aae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:11:50 -0500 From: "komfo,amonan" To: "Lojban list" Subject: [lojban] Exaggerate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9215_11182603.1198869110061" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 20924625c55cd344 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_9215_11182603.1198869110061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm having a hard time translating "exaggerate" (*v.tr.* To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate). It seems to involve {xusra} and {zmadu}. Here's my first two passes. "His successors probably exaggerated his wickedness." 1. * la'a lo selyli'e be ko'a cu xusra lo du'u ko'a zmadu fi lo ka ce'u palci [probable] the ones-preceded by him assert the fact-that he exceeds in-property being-evil 2. * la'a lo selyli'e be ko'a cu xusra lo du'u ko'a da'i zmadu ko'a da'i nai lo ka ce'u palci [probable] the ones-preceded by him assert the fact-that he [supposing] exceeds himself [in-fact] in-property being-evil I'm pretty sure both of these are wrong. In exaggeration, one asserts X, the degree of X is greater than that of Y (the truth), but one is silent on Y. So, third pass: 3. * la'a lo selyli'e be ko'a cu xusra lo du'u ko'a palci la'u da poi zmadu lo je'u jai la'u palci be fai ko'a [probable] the ones-preceded by him assert the fact-that he is-evil in-quantity x which exceeds the [in truth] quantity-of is-evil he I think that's accurate, but it probably could be improved. Any suggestions? ki'e mu'o mi'e komfn ------=_Part_9215_11182603.1198869110061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm having a hard time translating "exaggerate" (v.tr. To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate). It seems to involve {xusra} and {zmadu}. Here's my first two passes.

"His successors probably exaggerated his wickedness."

1. * la'a lo selyli'e be ko'a cu xusra lo du'u ko'a zmadu fi lo ka ce'u palci
[probable] the ones-preceded by him assert the fact-that he exceeds in-property being-evil
2. * la'a lo selyli'e be ko'a cu xusra lo du'u ko'a da'i zmadu ko'a da'i nai lo ka ce'u palci
[probable] the ones-preceded by him assert the fact-that he [supposing] exceeds himself [in-fact] in-property being-evil

I'm pretty sure both of these are wrong. In exaggeration, one asserts X, the degree of X is greater than that of Y (the truth), but one is silent on Y. So, third pass:

3. * la'a lo selyli'e be ko'a cu xusra lo du'u ko'a palci la'u da poi zmadu lo je'u jai la'u palci be fai ko'a
[probable] the ones-preceded by him assert the fact-that he is-evil in-quantity x which exceeds the [in truth] quantity-of is-evil he

I think that's accurate, but it probably could be improved. Any suggestions?

ki'e mu'o mi'e komfn
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