From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 13 10:04:14 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JE7Bt-0005D3-84 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:13 -0800 Received: from n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.182]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JE7Bo-0005Cp-BC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:13 -0800 Received: from [217.12.4.214] by n5.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by t1.bullet.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 Received: from [69.147.84.95] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2008 18:04:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 3085.83153.bm@omp205.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68184 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2008 18:04:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BmLloHYmz7z8O/Zu3dfBwiIgnlZ8qmylFHtzMIoB+0TR3cxQyAQoHOrGXdFYpYBflNi4NdSiSEvAyEZzl9SK8e44XLVJnUQzE06clLxHUTanjezFGa6UFB5S8fDXZKZk+//BEO4kZ/84R8C2vmYW5CAeUsXssBYsARxLX+tr8l8=; X-YMail-OSG: YnBe5aEVM1mtZ.9tIMytXijLrrQm6oVFZp3zAeK29WRKpNbltTmPEAadNTEjmhXkF_D0oL4Dx_WYKwR6nrkD2Z7_6A-- Received: from [129.98.10.114] by web45804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:00 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Opi Lauma Subject: [lojban] and/or To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-647617834-1200247440=:67307" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <908929.67307.qm@web45804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opilauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-647617834-1200247440=:67307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I am searching for the words which I have to use to connect arguments of sumti in the following 3 cases: Case I: Bears killers came into the city. The sentence means that every object which came into the city is bear AND killer simultaneously. Case II: Bears and killers came into the city. The sentence means that every object which came into the city is EITHER bear OR killer. Here one can distinguish two sub-cases. II A: the object cannot be bear and killer simultaneously. II B: the object can be bear and killer simultaneously. Case III: Bears or killers came into the city. The sentence means that one of the following two sentences is correct (but I do not know which one): 1. Bears came into the city. 2. Killers came into the city. Here one can also distinguish two sub-cases: III A: I do not know which of the two above sentences is correct but I know that only one of them is correct. III B: At least one (may be two) sentences are correct. P.S. It is interesting to notice that in the case II, in the sentence, I use "AND" and to explain the meaning of the sentence I need to use "OR". And this strange disagreement exists not only in English. Does it exist in Lojban? Thank you in advance, opilaumas --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-647617834-1200247440=:67307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,

I am searching for the words which I have to use to connect arguments of sumti in the following 3 cases:

Case I:
Bears killers came into the city.
The sentence means that every object which came into the city is bear AND killer simultaneously.

Case II:
Bears and killers came into the city.
The sentence means that every object which came into the city is EITHER bear OR killer.
Here one  can distinguish two sub-cases.
II A: the object cannot be bear and killer simultaneously.
II B: the object can be bear and killer simultaneously.

Case III:
Bears or killers came into the city.
The sentence means that one of the following two sentences is correct (but I do not know which one):
1. Bears came into the city.
2. Killers came into the city.
Here one can also distinguish two sub-cases:
III A: I do not know which of the two above sentences is correct but I know that only one of them is correct.
III B: At least one (may be two) sentences are correct.

P.S.
It is interesting to notice that in the case II, in the sentence, I use "AND" and to explain the meaning  of the sentence I need to use "OR". And this strange disagreement exists not only in English. Does it exist in Lojban?

Thank you in advance,
opilaumas

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-647617834-1200247440=:67307-- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.