From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Feb 13 04:44:39 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JPGyc-0002Sl-Sn for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:44:39 -0800 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JPGyU-0002Ph-Gz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:44:35 -0800 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b50so5847397pyh.30 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:44:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AUhVqPsyb4oY7V5MwV4Q8Xd+An6k3AAYgJVboFDufEA=; b=MT4rzkzyQYqH+yXu6BXBNLgqSn4Oh6BR0S5NDXgwQsEVaWsjIsqozJQJcDBK1eTJXuluC3KEeRIFLqQOIb/Fy83Qy5DDP7PU2jG+M1C6Vy6jwojuGpYsVlhzmnAREXpeWBhZ8b3ZsLM0tB88EnuAwCJFKc3269aqsTOI85RzvWo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W3S9+0/hbVWWpKogYAuoov85zHvgZ0I03O1iGOVjKXXocsev9C/2ekK9Qz/MJ6NlEW8gpjjA0eNZ1SDinVS5PxUBT3DCe7+7EuM7JpyWh4wiin80uWSc+Qxgdm9qDcQqAK0x0I9OClQ0AilXAz14zMZRr9TsXaYdmfCN4wPilt4= Received: by 10.140.136.6 with SMTP id j6mr1791970rvd.199.1202906667728; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.69.2 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:44:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60802130444o3b5ed274l7331539f1995cfb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:44:27 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Silly things to say in Lojban Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200802122354.05716.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <96f789a60802121224m76b593c7p2aae501c7101c620@mail.gmail.com> <200802122354.05716.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Feb 12, 2008 11:54 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 12 February 2008 15:24, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > .i gerna fi lu ganra grana garna li'u > > ("A broad-stick railing" is grammatical) > > I had to look that up, as usually we say "gendra" to say that a phrase is > grammatical. The distinction is that "gerna fi do'i" means that there is a > grammar that governs do'i, whereas "do'i gerna" means that do'i is correct > according to the grammar. > (For your last, I think you meant "do'i gendra". "do'i gerna" means that an utterance IS a grammar/grammatical rule, which is pretty much a meaningless sentece.) In any case, yes, I meant "grammatical" in the wider sense of "is governed by the rules of a grammar" (definition 1 of "grammatical" in MWC) rather than "correct by the rules of a grammar" (def. 2). I thank you, though, for clarifying the distinction for those who might have been confused. > > .i vajni ke vanju jivna javni > (Important to cottabists, that is.) Okay, now it's my turn to say, huh?? "Cottabist" isn't in any of the onelook dictionaries nor on www.websters-online.dictionary.org, which even has some lojban words on it! it only has five hits on google, three of which are identical, and two of which are German. I assume from context it means an something like oenophile or vintner? (EDIT: Ah!!! www.oedilf.com comes to my rescue. It must mean a participant in a cottabus?) > .i le nakni bakni cu bunre xunre > (I like this one, because it's something that might actually be uttered in the real world!) --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.