From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Feb 23 02:14:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSrP2-0002RS-CW for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:14:45 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSrOv-0002R7-Oo for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:14:44 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so563784fga.0 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:14:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=ptYUKmIacJO/jrRvbLkWevoUxVZPtikoKElQfy+H8Kw=; b=ws3ZdEXDPqAl6hvZqVTGYItcTrBUBOTdz5miAkWomPJ1MSPQqbgk7R0355OZUT3cQU/YNCW+c4PNTJty+8U0WRg0fvDK64davSAkTlhcgL/GGpfZwNNeuORLkSWwUUd+7JeyflidPK5kgEz1o1ftcHhvRIFAeez+Rm3t4pRDbao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=M1EALBX6f1kUBfaEZl7DiXDPT91q/xm8wLkxHXBg4+pARajMf0qdcZZME2gJtonrZqgflSftYmQmAwpNeJpDrgwboZs/yQ64OXZusIxwfVafQ30hkVD0uNGjzTJoZT7Xam28c5JTmTvapbhmiqrSumiBJ4HOxWd2oWqH30qZ2BI= Received: by 10.82.167.5 with SMTP id p5mr489702bue.38.1203761671150; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.97.6 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:14:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10802230214h14ca2f3fj5e86e552c8447e0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:14:31 +0300 From: "Cyril Slobin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Joining the Ranks of the BPFK: The LRWTF In-Reply-To: <20080223074436.GJ29556@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47BDD838.2060308@perpetuum-immobile.de> <527c832e0802221325s21201601j1bd24b365107cd7@mail.gmail.com> <47BF4559.4070303@perpetuum-immobile.de> <527c832e0802222040o139bbfc9taf7baef1b99ebb64@mail.gmail.com> <20080223074436.GJ29556@digitalkingdom.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8a0bcb4922964a1a X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 2/23/08, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > So, tell me what you want the forum to be called, and what mailing > list you want it to mirror, and I'll go do it; it'll take me about > 20 minutes, at most. You noted wikidiscuss in your previous answer. Tell me, how a proud newbee is supposed to discover that such a thing exists? When you tell me the name, I have entered it in a search box, but imagine I do not know the name. The first thing a new user will search on a site will be any living community. Well, the link "community" exist in the left bar. It is buried in a second-level menu among a dozen of not-so-important things, but it exists. On community page there is a link to forums page. How many people became lost here? Any additional link to follow halves the auditory. Well, let us think that someone is tenacious enough to reach that page (third in a chain). There is no link to wikiforums here! Full stop. My suggestion: (1) make a bidirectional (or at least read-only) gate from this one list to a wikiforum. (2) put that wikiforum on the main page instead of livejournal blog mirror. Then, when someone will came to the site at the first time, and look at the dates of last messages in threads, he at least will know that *something happens*. P.S. I am a bit ill now, and English is not my native language. Sorry if some of my wording is inappropriate. -- Cyril Slobin `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, http://wagner.pp.ru/~slobin/ `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.