From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 29 04:54:40 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JfZdw-00087y-At for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:54:40 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JfZdn-00087P-41 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:54:40 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so389258rvf.46 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:54:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CL23eHh/hfft6ToLVyNMLVvsYOfM8R7/2WXcNxAghaI=; b=RhhpDs8XQpFRoShONQ58QQ25teWq0BilxmAE95qMogVIiIgLfmYOhJ4jJkU8kBhnIVmyo7woZNOQMuGIdkRADP95YSA883PBUm0rfkYhmT+JpKhK6TeAuyYNdI8umKBkaa4iJt8j0J7wGJTqKnQwnOY3hOmNX19cIJyHy15CKbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DK2QVfQPa/LVFXL+PU8U0JqkMiGAKwuWgXLTtkgATQqN0al1ACijGtcTvwpg+4exiKN5NeQnp0B6UC8xehehUx8uHDtLNzKxdmmrmdkMh+8AVcMXo/v+29YxSHEa1Ga7rRVQSsQ2JSgKd1pGtAPjHg1fUNo5K5Nck1YSx5qR0uo= Received: by 10.141.78.14 with SMTP id f14mr1020555rvl.119.1206791670396; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.204.18 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:54:30 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: the illogic of Lojban In-Reply-To: <20080329014920.dm1qilf2o8k40gwg@webmail.ixkey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47BDD838.2060308@perpetuum-immobile.de> <527c832e0802221325s21201601j1bd24b365107cd7@mail.gmail.com> <47BF4559.4070303@perpetuum-immobile.de> <527c832e0802222040o139bbfc9taf7baef1b99ebb64@mail.gmail.com> <20080329014920.dm1qilf2o8k40gwg@webmail.ixkey.info> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:49 AM, wrote: > To me an obvious first step is to draw a bright line between > inward-facing language design (tinkering, experimentation, > exploration), and outward-facing simplification and education. That's > right, we should lower ourselves to the lie of simplification; don't > respond to a simple question with a list of exceptions. I believe > also that we ought to establish a taboo against unsolicited > corrections: if someone says "mi cilre la lojban." (I learn Lojban, > incorrectly phrased), we should say "mi gleki lo nu do cilre fi la > lojban." (I'm happy you're learning about Lojban), positive > reenforcement and providing a good model, not "Lojban can't be in the > second place of cilre! The second place of cilre is a fact that's > learned!", which is true but unhelpfully critical. I strongly agree. -Eppcott To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.