From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 07 13:34:06 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jiy2Y-0000lH-Km for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:34:06 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jiy2R-0000kc-R9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:34:06 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so629630nfv.46 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=fYP3zM2/z6phZpPM96mTwDCYxOiYI2tOo0cCXaR68hc=; b=f9Co0MipCma0syOCJzcIad6OTlR835/u6OM12NkWqlkozvcBZAukS66e+keGU/ZfxFUhyOgegpPXTc+MvUtiyIalig4Ey2rIbibBvCcr1K3OKz0BdfAGdAPlrCeHkgXfWwEkq/i0LqJDW+T/SFprjf116L9dCy3WlBz+jrmy81s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=T0eTvhkv6unoTJYp0ERvEQFAD2X9qVHBpsRelyxclUuXuj4GItRZWRpZ2f3pmyNb5OqrELovt+mp2m8wIU4/gMOefi59SG8Jw11UeiJohMqreIVHlUcrltcUecHDBkl058QdFvN5VziExdUxTxLZzI1CGOKzDw0HR6ODBCe5S5w= Received: by 10.78.198.14 with SMTP id v14mr1746522huf.116.1207600426132; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.4 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10804071333p68881e81t5e1ead3be0bddfa1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 00:33:46 +0400 From: "Cyril Slobin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Russian etymology of Lojban (was: Re: gismu etymology) In-Reply-To: <20080407185020.GK9672@grendel.dealloc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080313194839.GB9672@grendel.dealloc.org> <47D9BE15.5040405@lojban.org> <20080407185020.GK9672@grendel.dealloc.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c6656b995f4678ac X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: slobin@ice.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 4/7/08, mublin wrote: > The Russian etymology of Lojban is online for review. This is a > reconstruction of the Russian words used in generating the Lojban > gismu, the basis of Lojban vocabulary. > Dubious and missing source words are marked with "FIXIT" and a > comment. Any help will be much appreciated. It seems to be my unavoidable fate: I am the only active jbopre from Russia in this list. ;-) In fact .evgenis. knows lojban much better then me, but I suspect he has not enough free time to do this. I have not yet evaluated your work in details, but from a very first glance just two notes: - translation form Korolev dictionary often contains a long list of idiomatic usage cases, not related to the most direct meaning of a word. - translation for "bacru" keyword (it was on the first screen when I have opened the page, so I have noted this immediately) is not a translation in fact, but marking the word as perfect form and reference to imperfect one (like {"said": see "say"} in English dictionary). I am going to return to your list a bit later, maybe in a day or two. This is a very interesting enterprise. -- Cyril Slobin `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, http://wagner.pp.ru/~slobin/ `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.