From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 07 17:35:22 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj1o1-0007TM-7p for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:35:21 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jj1nx-0007SU-La for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:35:21 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b50so1856652pyh.30 for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:35:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oZUHRvrZn0G9x1Xe1BY1o07aNADAgrckbihn+ufbq+Y=; b=oNXUuYEM14u7V++1jLgzYgPtAqe/c/niPxYdwdLekz82xWCWFcnMIvE2V0xAqQortaOwhFLSCx7eD1DDVhVqM8ne6B/2h+ij0QqZcq2+X25yzjEGkE+m0nsvMeOBcSaXh45sSDwShd3b6+tq1kHFKv4GTzAk+yvcfvkwkwThZQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=u2WLgZ9wbPrpj5cM4cMCRqcq6BgEP7b11XV4X3jxBCV2ZhBswb3VmKWF8mY3lTMRcyo49WpfIkboaFOb9a6NF7q3rSkoUo/irtmknqUQ5A0lDZFtZaTVPsDXKHWTF0kJJMYuabHqey7/7nCm6cJ3lw64UxlVHED6g1/ALaVyNAU= Received: by 10.65.249.4 with SMTP id b4mr10981014qbs.84.1207614916617; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.72.8 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:35:16 +1200 From: "LakMeer Kravid" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Original orthography draft now online for critique In-Reply-To: <702226df0804071423l2e4166dcg8019b132933e87f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <597165.55778.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008301c8980d$ebe96f00$6c8e6d0a@Starlight> <200804061518.25329.phma@phma.optus.nu> <47FA4CFA.1000106@devbraindump.de> <702226df0804071423l2e4166dcg8019b132933e87f3@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lakmeerkravid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > I preferred the old l/r and n/m accenting thing, although I do prefer the > new l to the old one. I essentially agree with you here, I might reinstate the arbitrary grouping i had before. > The new 's' isn't much better than the old, IMHO. I'm including a > mouse-drawn .bmp of what I was thinking of when I gave my suggestion on > changing the 's'. I do think the S is one of the chief culprits in the making rev2 less pretty to look at. Making something simple and unobtrusive (because I somehow have this idea that thats how 's' should be) proves very difficult while still keeping the pen flow natural. For example, your 'half-height hump' character that you suggested, breaks the pen flow. If one flips it horizontally (mirrors it) it no longer breaks the flow, but it looks very similar to .ebu. > I much, much, much prefer the original .y'ybu. to the rev.2 one, Noted. > As an aside ... I could care less about the phontactic reasons for accent and > whatnot, there's less new symbols to remember with them then without. Also a perfectly valid point, and one I was considering myself when working on rev2. I feel that some steps backwards are probably in order. > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Florian Larysch > > Yippie. :) > > - EN *could* become M Oh yeah. Damn. > > - the ' somehow brakes the "flow" of a word, although I'm not yet sure > whether this is a good or a bad thing. I'd say it fits with the idea of .y'y, but may not be the most fun to write > > the new L stands out, although that might be good since it might help in recognizing > gadri. Thanks for your comments guys. Lak To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.