From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 14 13:44:51 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JlVXn-0001kx-5o for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:51 -0700 Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.142.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JlVXe-0001bg-Px for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:50 -0700 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so540047tid.20 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wZGyCeSLKTrZGFxpSBqMHr5H3+875zobvPUb6qcU1PA=; b=uDs6DFRZ54h3HH1x8h97LU9BwtbnYukMVIXsMI56odDoGbF4OG/afpFpk0SumcI+Kl/NMkuYkIZJ5OHcjrRA+6Pt6QVYfWskEikVYvW1LR7dkg3D46w9nZbGlkpCARzIPknxpcxQKLxgU3FMiNnSvJUkuS7YlEYUk6GhyXZHYww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=V32iGNb9yXN4TK9aLuLA456I0SY7HYQPCJUf35tVrGXS73aEu7ZGKtjopSBFhV1NUFt7+dPvht1KQ+js0i0j+k8/mqIzXicaH0pqLeQ/WiqsZVJAI3AM/ry80jry64gjv7f57btV2p5L1Wg70B2bZUIPFnljx++j9uTxHEqxBs8= Received: by 10.150.203.8 with SMTP id a8mr6725272ybg.56.1208205878724; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.197.6 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:44:38 -0400 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Logflash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4716_5222236.1208205878726" References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_4716_5222236.1208205878726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/14/08, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > > > So I've gathered, but it's still the only program I use for vocabulary > practice. Maybe that explains my lack of profiency in Lojban. > > stevo I learned Lojban with Logflash years ago. I have fond memories of spending hours & hours with it. I was happy to find yesterday that I can run it on this mac mini with a dos emulator. I remember where it says about brush-up mode "Refresh words once mastered, after a long absence", and here I am using brush-up mode after a long absence. :) It's interesting to see how my knowledge of Lojban is in so many layers. When I see the gismu in Logflash I feel the things I've learned lately about their structures. I feel the recent creative uses of the words, for instance today when I see the gismu "jursa" I instantly think of la pinpedi. But memorizing the words in Logflash is definitely at the heart of it, before anything; Logflash was the first place I ever saw or thought about most of the gismu. I almost feel like it would be best for ninpre to use the original Logflash, or at least to try it out, so they can share in that original experience. If you do use Logflash, I highly recommend paying attention to all of the information it's showing you. It doesn't quiz you on the place structure or the rafsi, but it does display them, so you can self-quiz yourself on the structure at the same time. If "cusku" comes up for the billionth time, instead of just quickly typing "express", also test yourself and see if you can remember what a te cusku and a ve cusku are. Logflash can lead to malglico, but it doesn't have to if you're paying attention. :) Incidentally, my old email (ixkey.info) is experiencing technical difficulties, so I can be reached at mungojelly@gmail.com for now. mu'o mi'e .bret. ------=_Part_4716_5222236.1208205878726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/14/08, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:

So I've gathered, but it's still the only program I use for vocabulary practice.  Maybe that explains my lack of profiency in Lojban.

stevo
 
 
I learned Lojban with Logflash years ago.  I have fond memories of spending hours & hours with it.  I was happy to find yesterday that I can run it on this mac mini with a dos emulator.  I remember where it says about brush-up mode "Refresh words once mastered, after a long absence", and here I am using brush-up mode after a long absence. :)
 
It's interesting to see how my knowledge of Lojban is in so many layers.  When I see the gismu in Logflash I feel the things I've learned lately about their structures.  I feel the recent creative uses of the words, for instance today when I see the gismu "jursa" I instantly think of la pinpedi.  But memorizing the words in Logflash is definitely at the heart of it, before anything; Logflash was the first place I ever saw or thought about most of the gismu.  I almost feel like it would be best for ninpre to use the original Logflash, or at least to try it out, so they can share in that original experience.
 
If you do use Logflash, I highly recommend paying attention to all of the information it's showing you.  It doesn't quiz you on the place structure or the rafsi, but it does display them, so you can self-quiz yourself on the structure at the same time.  If "cusku" comes up for the billionth time, instead of just quickly typing "express", also test yourself and see if you can remember what a te cusku and a ve cusku are.  Logflash can lead to malglico, but it doesn't have to if you're paying attention. :) 
 
Incidentally, my old email (ixkey.info) is experiencing technical difficulties, so I can be reached at mungojelly@gmail.com for now.
 
mu'o mi'e .bret.
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