From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 14 15:56:19 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JlXb1-00073q-Ji for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:56:19 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JlXb1-00073j-BC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:56:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:56:19 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Logflash Message-ID: <20080414225619.GC32736@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <480369BC.5060506@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-archive-position: 14365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:36:18AM -0500, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > >> MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 4/14/2008 04:22:45 AM Central Daylight Time, >>> lojbab via ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: >>> >>>> But LogFlash is deemed old-fashioned by Lojbanists. >>> >>> So I've gathered, but it's still the only program I use for >>> vocabulary practice. Maybe that explains my lack of profiency >>> in Lojban. >> >> Thanks for the vote of confidence %^) >> >> I think the old-fashioned-ness is it being a DOS program without >> all the features of newer interfaces (i.e Windows). So far as I >> know, no one has come up with, and proven, a better flash card >> algorithm than the one JCB came up. > > I tried it early on, and abandoned it. My problem wasn't so much > the DOS aspect (though getting it to run wasn't trivial), but the > reliance on keywords. I knew what a tanru *was*, I even knew the > place structure, but I couldn't remember that the keyword was > "phrase compound". I knew what klama meant, but couldn't remember > whether the keyword chose was "come" or "go" (since what it means > is of course both). After a few of those (and a few where I > couldn't remember the place structure to my satisfaction, but > *could* remember the keyword, so it thought I new more than I > did), I gave up on it. Exactly: logflash has you memorize the wrong things. Furthermore, the short-term satisfaction is *far* lower than a good spaced-repitition algorithm. With logflash, you start getting good (at the wrong things) months after starting. If you add cards based on frequency of usage with a spaced-repitition algorithm, you can get decent conversation going in a couple of weeks. -Robin -- Lojban Reason #17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.