From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 21 11:37:52 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo0tj-0004Kt-Ky for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:51 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo0tf-0004KY-2T for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:51 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so985618ywm.46 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JWGfgMQkxKYqt0L94RAT3FnoZI+b8E9VHKHS7FlF/CI=; b=fn9CNsnMshJvjdF5cxUreVP6DYV8XoafyqqK+gZgmY8tTS0ohHypT4VYqJZwqVwVglI5WWslZjNNnACPHMQ52WahoaYxsP5npyfUecjN7cRVG3pn914+pawjNc1wbrim1aP6gxDBce8/3oQwGkkKPgmo9E57PnW9CPn6ffE1hj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TNp8oogkuoP+v9abKqMmLfbi9d5dcwSiQsIJ10NG1ksKank73bkJ66ZNxRYB2ySO5CdvgisV831V3VlcVXKDmD5QFY/e7rVRTKKkXjVRSvDBTvY+q9Iv74wOrOEV4l9/Cp1RJ/jw+My2Z0Sn8B2KWnR87GyKqSx5+0eMjgT8Uaw= Received: by 10.151.145.21 with SMTP id x21mr3367912ybn.45.1208803064177; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.197.6 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:37:44 -0400 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: na ja ro da ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10406_30945963.1208803064174" References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_10406_30945963.1208803064174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/21/08, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > > > > lu na ja ro da li'u se smuni ma > actually this is the wrong question :) what you should ask is what ".i na ja" means :) You may have seen the more common sentence connection: ".i je" or ".ije", which means that both of the sentences are true. In place of the "je" you can put another logical connection, such as "ju", whether or not, or in this case "ja", one or the other or both. You can also put either a "na" before the connector, to negate the first sentence, or a "nai" afterwards, to negate the second, which allows you to construct truth tables other than the basic four. ".i na ja" means that in every case where the first bridi is true, the second bridi is true as well. There may however be cases where the second bridi is true, even if the first is not. So ".i na ja" is appropriate for situations where one thing is caused by or otherwise necessarily related to another, but there are other causes or situations which could possibly explain the second. For instance: It rains, [.i na ja] things get wet. Rain always makes things wet, but it's not the only thing that does so. OTOH: This is above that, [.i jo] that is below this. In this case, the relation always holds, and so "o", meaning "if and only if", is more appropriate. do pu zi se ctuca .ai .a'o .ui ro'e .ua pei mu'o mi'e .bret. ------=_Part_10406_30945963.1208803064174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/21/08, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:


lu na ja ro da li'u se smuni ma


actually this is the wrong question :)
 
what you should ask is what ".i na ja" means :)
 
You may have seen the more common sentence connection: ".i je" or ".ije", which means that both of the sentences are true.  In place of the "je" you can put another logical connection, such as "ju", whether or not, or in this case "ja", one or the other or both.  You can also put either a "na" before the connector, to negate the first sentence, or a "nai" afterwards, to negate the second, which allows you to construct truth tables other than the basic four.
 
".i na ja" means that in every case where the first bridi is true, the second bridi is true as well.  There may however be cases where the second bridi is true, even if the first is not.  So ".i na ja" is appropriate for situations where one thing is caused by or otherwise necessarily related to another, but there are other causes or situations which could possibly explain the second.  For instance:  It rains, [.i na ja] things get wet.  Rain always makes things wet, but it's not the only thing that does so.  OTOH:  This is above that, [.i jo] that is below this.  In this case, the relation always holds, and so "o", meaning "if and only if", is more appropriate.
 
do pu zi se ctuca .ai .a'o .ui ro'e .ua pei
 
mu'o mi'e .bret.

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