From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 26 15:42:37 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jpt6L-0005Jm-4X for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:42:37 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jpt6B-0005JW-Hc for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:42:36 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so587356ywa.46 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=NGRsyx+3CSjFAehc4Qa1Ho8LZi53iuDP7mOLiN3HP8w=; b=XGG31SkxiEuBD6zgGWpIz3bVB72rAQjpNFssUmYzxlBrxlAjUrvi3GAJKvLsTf07zpO8L/pFyfjPWS2AB6sD75XU3j7BjQXa6BdHD35MJ5QC0aBgUVJXpFhqnvd9xWQC0IirnUVzGFbrR/M/ZdnGI6nr6RcvlZ5TRqCLEIYSX2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=yINGnJVd3lUsuQfhkQl2vosRIkJ6pTLVB8eY9DBzK3T9aU4bdp0oyWFVWLKy5PN+zDlgsy9d4rMgAJnkBDdO97wBduTf9OYD/e1nDTklZDwZfCkzElbJ0KVYFtvppu84Ho7Rl/0CDZlbfgy337F8OBKkjkpl/fFAEadfJHLAzOA= Received: by 10.150.83.41 with SMTP id g41mr2207217ybb.191.1209249746435; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.12 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:42:26 -0400 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Nth letter of the alphabet In-Reply-To: <200804261636.47827.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1300_8417412.1209249746422" References: <200804261636.47827.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_1300_8417412.1209249746422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/26/08, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > When numbering the letters of the Lojban alphabet, what number is assigned > to "a"? Do we start "y'y, abu, by", or "y'y, slaka bu, denpa bu, abu"? > I agree with the other posters that ASCII is officially unofficial. (And some other sort would need some damn good explanation in order to justify making us write custom alphabetizing code from now until the end of time, wouldn't it?!) If I was "numbering" them as in calling them "lo (whatever)moi lerfu", it would seem much more reasonable to me to call the first one "pamoi" and not "nomoi", whatever that means. :) ni'o ta'o zo'o Last night on #ninpre I suggested we could add Q into Lojban as a silent letter. You could insert it anywhere you wanted to make words look stylish, like "cilreq" or "cusqku", without changing the way they sound. mu'o mi'e .bret. ------=_Part_1300_8417412.1209249746422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 4/26/08, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
When numbering the letters of the Lojban alphabet, what number is assigned
to "a"? Do we start "y'y, abu, by", or "y'y, slaka bu, denpa bu, abu"?


I agree with the other posters that ASCII is officially unofficial.  (And some other sort would need some damn good explanation in order to justify making us write custom alphabetizing code from now until the end of time, wouldn't it?!)  If I was "numbering" them as in calling them "lo (whatever)moi lerfu", it would seem much more reasonable to me to call the first one "pamoi" and not "nomoi", whatever that means. :)
 
ni'o ta'o zo'o 
Last night on #ninpre I suggested we could add Q into Lojban as a silent letter.  You could insert it anywhere you wanted to make words look stylish, like "cilreq" or "cusqku", without changing the way they sound.
 
mu'o mi'e .bret.

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