From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 27 07:14:31 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0zwd-0002wS-QG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:31 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0zwY-0002vw-VG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:31 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2452726rvf.46 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ktWrOSZND3tp2DJWhyYvGUxhyrY69gZGX+sKw56tR4I=; b=GRoua0gLzYY//EXtlAAc2ZlqLch5fmuHMYzvVPb7zfZI7diN+ZocrvqB1vuxNBjuk+SKclB3nmB4bl2bnEMKq0YwUSSwzSIBZp3nwl4t0lea5TmS3uhaLt9dnGaMrfmFi2xubFyinP8n99VOVJILwbesFjNyz0VuyiYqvZ4IuQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WYcwmI+WJfZspEjbGr/Hke4Fn2qDuNDFyN0JP8LEcNsk8hydNw3IoXSPJcgHjx9ayfX9gpSBv9Q9qULUnTaPB0mpbQSMv7x7eWAInwg/TX/0/XRopenOYZz8jneWf7uBGs1IcXbbtNK6Kz534MxzVJZ0e9vNcuka9GkgEjqhjMo= Received: by 10.140.178.17 with SMTP id a17mr563522rvf.156.1211897665919; Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.162.14 with HTTP; Tue, 27 May 2008 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60805270714m6f425ac7le585f163e7ca8ba7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:14:25 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Assertions of time-relations and precision of abstraction In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14440 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:59 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 5/27/2008 04:22:38 AM Central Daylight Time, > ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > > Remember, the main bridi had no > tense associated with it, so it's simply asserting a fact, not > necessarily one that has come to fruition yet. > > gejyspa > > Can it be a fact if it hasn't happened yet? > > stevo > Maybe you're hung up over my use of the word "fact". Substitute "claim", if you wish. "The sun will rise to tomorrow" is making an assertion that has a definite truth value, (true or false), but we can't necessarily determine the truth value until (possible) the day after tomorrow. It's like Gödel's uncertainty principal. --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.