From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 28 03:24:31 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 May 2008 03:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1Ipa-0004hm-CM for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 03:24:31 -0700 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1IpS-0004hS-1m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 03:24:30 -0700 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id d.c5a.31043ef9 (42807) for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:24:13 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: Assertions of time-relations and precision of abstraction To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c5a.31043ef9.356e8ccd_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: 6 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14446 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_c5a.31043ef9.356e8ccd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/28/2008 04:22:43 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > Can it be a fact if it hasn't happened yet? > > > > stevo > > > Maybe you're hung up over my use of the word "fact". Substitute > "claim", if you wish. "The sun will rise to tomorrow" is making an > assertion that has a definite truth value, (true or false), but we > can't necessarily determine the truth value until (possible) the day > after tomorrow. It's like G=F6del's uncertainty principal. >=20 > --gejyspa >=20 Okay, that works. stevo --part1_c5a.31043ef9.356e8ccd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/28/2008 04:22:43 AM Cen= tral Daylight Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:


> Can it be a fact if it= hasn't happened yet?
>
> stevo
>
 Maybe you're hung up over my use of the word "fact".  Substi= tute
"claim", if you wish.  "The sun will rise to tomorrow" is making an
assertion that has a definite truth value, (true or false), but we
can't necessarily determine the truth value until (possible) the day
after tomorrow. It's like G=F6del's uncertainty principal.

          --gejyspa


Okay, that works.

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