From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 28 11:20:40 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1QGN-0000SD-M0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:39 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1QGI-0000Ry-Qh for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:39 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1880054fga.0 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=F8zn/pNwGQ3pDolGHGp66hoazPfQhkSQJKoBZ4TZAhE=; b=Gv5eITHPQeXNQfd66AoKqw7ReFHym57VCWtyzya0NtFZQ5jJmMKrQEeI9exhNXyWURx2s/2rRp9PLiP+o7z5VDomD3zhpb7FnpvUBia1WVbp0w9pANiMvdaM6d07rAXkacFwTG46eQpLz8E5drUaBtaZ9MqvYPhYW0P39kuquoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CBsY7Sv0vCVoRkLm+XyJ/NVoXf8TK15upoRn/F/jsMCCfdQRIcu6Wa4Ix0vDLpkYXv34ZWrKZyztqVHT50R1/96Q5oWo44t7PGzKjdf/cGkJb2OWSFv/ZFdH5PVzI7ety2c3mOADABDneFzcxQ79iG9XvDDvcmYKHccTpbVKZoA= Received: by 10.86.99.9 with SMTP id w9mr593511fgb.70.1211998833381; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560805281120u6ca4b36dx2a8d7a88617f8567@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:20:33 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: I usually take out the garbage on Mondays In-Reply-To: <200805281155.06590.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200805281155.06590.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/28/08, Pierre Abbat wrote: > There are at least two ways of interpreting this: > 1. Given that I take out the garbage, the probability of Monday is high. > 2. Given that a day is Monday, the probability that I take out the garbage is > high. Also: 3. Given that someone takes out the garbage on a Monday, the probability that that someone is me is high. 4. Given that I take out something on a Monday, the probability that it is the garbage is high. 5. Given that I do something with the garbage on a Monday, the probability that what I do with it is take it out is high. These could be expressed in Lojban thus: 1'- lo lurdei cu fadni lo ka mi vimcu lo festi ca ce'u 2'- lo nu mi vimcu lo festi cu fadni lo ka mi zukte ce'u ca lo lurdei 3'- mi fadni lo ka ce'u vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei 4'- lo festi cu fadni lo ka mi vimcu ce'u ca lo lurdei 5'- lo ka ce'u vimcu ce'u cu fadni lo ka mi ckini lo festi ce'u ca lo lurdei > What do these mean?: > .i mi vimcu lo festi na'o lo lurdei I think this one would mean that I spend my Mondays taking out the garbage. > .i mi na'o vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei This one I think would say that my usual occupation is taking out the garbage on Mondays. > .i mi vimcu lo festi pe na'o ku ca lo lurdei I would interpret {lo festi pe na'o ku} as {lo festi poi na'o co'e}, but I'm not sure what kind of garbage that would be. > .i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo lurdei pe na'o Similarly, {lo lurdei pe na'o} would seem to be {lo lurdei poi na'o co'e}. Perhaps that's a normal Monday, which could make this close to 2. > .i mi vimcu lo'e festi ca lo lurdei I take out typical garbage on Mondays? I leave the atypical garbage for other days, or for someone else to take out? > .i mi vimcu lo festi ca lo'e lurdei Probably close to 2. There is also {ta'e} to consider, which supposedly differs from {na'o}. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.