From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 10 16:15:31 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K6D3q-0007A9-U7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:15:31 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K6D3m-00072g-JD for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:15:30 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so2862397wfg.25 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:15:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OxpBqEI30gwLw7oMz1769PqKAB26VmDLqbo+H/DNEvs=; b=aDUAU172oRjd2J53ZwyIU4tCeAijty5ao81yYRRv7F0O6H24GcsKep+NrjdK3t+iFy TNTNisKka0sYl284vI+pXyRU8huraP3lXvIWl/wpT/J4RIiDblS6Dux9i7u2loT45cpw lgFbR8SctTdHkTQuLouMRfh8iP/8jxVrnLu0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nqE+E5iiWn8EjG7qZjEJ8W+H0g5//A9HajVp8MjDm+AFF0X3tpQ+XPNvSR6tZOigLN fMo9jlIfvBoZZBvtFu4Z0Ym1LnL8cKljpUYimYocosMg+0iYonNz8PNpsUWGPXvSuHcX jPLZhI8mNbPCpq1QA+DDPg+VuPiRE8+g3VLBI= Received: by 10.142.154.20 with SMTP id b20mr2300503wfe.80.1213139725403; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.21 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30806101615g45aee5edv96583b2d649ae90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:15:25 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: lujvo list In-Reply-To: <925d17560806100517g52d0be3dkf5baa340a04386cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806092349v776a1700jd332a7ae5a4c6947@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806100517g52d0be3dkf5baa340a04386cc@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14480 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 6/10/08, Chris Capel wrote: >> I have this text file with a bunch of lujvo in it. I think it might be >> noraluj.txt. Anyway, it lines that look like this: >> >> grinunjvi:girzu+nu+jivna:tournament:$nu1 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $=girzu1 >> $jivna3 $jivna4 >> >> What does that ampersand mean there? I would figure it's a typeo, but >> there's a whole bunch of them. > > Maybe it means jivna1&jivna2=girzu1, but that's just my guess. > What are other examples? Looking at a few of them, it seems plausible. The & is always the same gismu as the preceeding. But then I saw this one: kangri#with+group:cluster:$girzu1 $girzu2 $girzu3 $girzu4 $=kansa1 $&kansa2 $=kansa3 And if your idea were right, you would think that the last one would be $&kansa3, which would be a silly way to make a lujvo anyway. My idea is that it's the start of a new place in the luvjo, like "&broda1" type tokens, and marks something about that place. Like maybe the way it's combined with the next one? The problem with that interpretation is that all of the & tokens wouldn't have to have the same gismu as the preceeding. mitsi'u:mintu+simxu:the same to each other:$simxu1 $=mintu1 $&mintu2 $mintu3 mitsmuvla:mintu+smuni+valsi:synonym:$valsi1 $=mintu1 $mintu2 $mintu3 $valsi3 This is an interesting pair of examples. Why would the & be used in the first but not the second? ritna'aterjvi:brito+nanca+te+jivna:British annual/year-long competition [e.g. FA Cup]:$jivna3 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $jivna4 A lot of them use 'jivna' and 'mintu'. The & is usually between the first and second place. simfra:simxu+frati:interplay:$frati1 $&frati3 $frati2 $frati4 Here's one where it's not. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.