From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 07:10:11 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCxbW-00028i-Sh for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:10:11 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCxbN-00026L-QP for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:10:10 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so542083fga.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sZbEues/lQ9V8GbrHujQwBvSM1Ycjsm1cxkYJxqlSRw=; b=VdIJU8T0kj8hDVsFrlGAtMeUqcg8hebn+gziUK1Vtp21N37MASpAxBeoLC+EpYI0ZB XjDMctU+Idj1reBrIe+1ku+zDV4Zi1Ty3eF2O8NbCeF1jnzBezLDn1NAaUu1Acxi2c/9 TWLtmfsLUtgUc8nQLt3u79Z1SxtoeqCxPxgDc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=pZ1ovOLeijsiiUDY+ksyORZ03JZLy12Z5HVcrR7E0UANpeUlA9swx3c8Wpm4CP0U7S /eWuDbr1IaRkVJtBAIwAJF2HQsbd6iPjXjvNJEkH6X0NYQqNNQ2QBcz9hm11FjCM25AV 3mvH0BiH1a/i1dI/T5jNsrCV8ACmN3ra+eLB4= Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr4772129fgb.72.1214748600161; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560806290710g23838181na2f03c561df115b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:10:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: vorme In-Reply-To: <737b61f30806282247gc923b9em1e0e11b4a0073abc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806282247gc923b9em1e0e11b4a0073abc@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Chris Capel wrote: > In alice, there's this use of vorme: > > i abu cidni sanli gi'e catlu le se vorme noi traji le ka melbi kei lei > purdi poi su'oroi se viska > > Now, I'm wondering here whether {te vorme} wouldn't be better. I know > the official gismu definition doesn't specify that x2 is *this* side, > and x3 *that* side, but it seems like that's the way it should be, and > that the sentence would be clearer with {te vorme}. Is that the way > the x2 and x3 are usually used? The usual order in gismu with "to" and "from" places is "to x2, from x3", so I would take {le se vorme} as the place the door leads to, if order is to be significant. To specify "this" or "that" we can add "vi" or "vu" (not "va" in this case since there is nobody there being spoken to). mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.