From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 08:26:02 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCymw-0001XL-Jf for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:26:02 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCyms-0001X8-Q4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:26:02 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1259002wfg.25 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=yNmk6QIfeYe9o2Waq7+2p++ZSwYglfbiLrtc3BoV//s=; b=uLMsLu/YV4B3E5mzTXS7g1mfYoKn8E8g0EfF5l94BFvwRscqP4eMCLV1e2tldCT4bG 1eQkOIVwGgYMaepsthcHgqySCBpdpT7YkrFfYHSZhqXKwWc9XjxtY+WOZl3rIUUrcY3G Kjnjh/buE1HwdxE3W3wrEVkg86T7qM0GLyIkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=w/G8/8EDxfnjp3MGyVhBs2u32gSqv5q1dOcUOeDlwJ3kWQS8X39d7bDplkW1NYUgBo RvQsOrAd2oRxLZKxyQzhXWdrYDvYC6YIg1ArrQRecksq+kmvPSoN2BfyJEazxmzJeIzT jarnajM/kz94aKlqE2HQk76t7Tdu1kdlViR9o= Received: by 10.142.154.20 with SMTP id b20mr168249wfe.59.1214753158186; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30806290825w716f0101he77f95ffdf857a8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:25:58 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: vorme In-Reply-To: <925d17560806290710g23838181na2f03c561df115b6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806282247gc923b9em1e0e11b4a0073abc@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290710g23838181na2f03c561df115b6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14569 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Chris Capel wrote: >> In alice, there's this use of vorme: >> >> i abu cidni sanli gi'e catlu le se vorme noi traji le ka melbi kei lei >> purdi poi su'oroi se viska >> >> Now, I'm wondering here whether {te vorme} wouldn't be better. I know >> the official gismu definition doesn't specify that x2 is *this* side, >> and x3 *that* side, but it seems like that's the way it should be, and >> that the sentence would be clearer with {te vorme}. Is that the way >> the x2 and x3 are usually used? > > The usual order in gismu with "to" and "from" places is "to x2, from x3", > so I would take {le se vorme} as the place the door leads to, if order > is to be significant. Would you regard it as a bug in the definition of {vorme} that it makes no mention of any such distinction between the x2 and x3? Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.