From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 08:59:44 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCzJY-0003cB-MW for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:59:44 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCzJT-0003bp-RE for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:59:44 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so553162fga.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XakVB1ppLV/eWN3aITP9ICJBs8PCw0KpFDjRz8S1h64=; b=EICXaAdbqnmdgD35xvgulgmmJfQoddOMs1jMyRu5eNWOm7OAyu5CoCoi+ocx2770FC okRQQrYXl3upPkt7RRcuzOfxL6YpKeUpImeEdpR9Qov50XYJigkRJaJH+tq3pRvFj0zy ytUOUCiMBR+nQlDxWO5QH1ZXppIGq1mNfx1X0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=fNtMEXM+Pn4Q5q04oJ12Gtd4uzvePwdg9vxVNLphB4y0GXEthnEqAerIh9S0a1+q94 WAgMb6InCieAftQP7f2zKBdqiz/VoFZDGsKedux3avHQgr7m98zsk7GMGB1tzJErjLvz 0duM/6wuUIae0XA7Dcp4jrrP90TcF19IGndeM= Received: by 10.86.49.3 with SMTP id w3mr2144534fgw.68.1214755178512; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560806290859veffd525k26e503f3eed075c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:59:38 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: vorme In-Reply-To: <737b61f30806290825w716f0101he77f95ffdf857a8c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806282247gc923b9em1e0e11b4a0073abc@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290710g23838181na2f03c561df115b6@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30806290825w716f0101he77f95ffdf857a8c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14571 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Chris Capel wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: >> >> The usual order in gismu with "to" and "from" places is "to x2, from x3", >> so I would take {le se vorme} as the place the door leads to, if order >> is to be significant. > > Would you regard it as a bug in the definition of {vorme} that it > makes no mention of any such distinction between the x2 and x3? The problem is that doors are not necessarily only or mainly one directional, but perhaps it would be better to specify that when direction is relevant x2 is the "to" and x3 the "from". That would still not solve your problem though, because {lo se vorme}, even if directional, could be "the place that the door leads to (from here)" or "this place where I am and the door leads to". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.