From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jul 10 07:44:58 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KGxOE-0002dh-AN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:44:58 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KGxOA-0002dI-MF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:44:58 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1373812fga.0 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Ro7UQgfVHTvnHBf5jP3dAJZxL82cNU+eHCFk5fQKV30=; b=x3PAhTtLCnzmKa7lTTk20iDxVMDibVwR6L5gyax91v65PhQaGMjkySxFGFBDZzM3dp kl1ZAjBUx+XZdDVLeCd3VM7zuSMFb3rSw5V1qutpBMfuj8M7WioOyb6YnsMrIk1X4BHY SOR/JowqG1+uAJsiNb09u56HynMo8XafkOShM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AqV/e/h4c80JaLaIS535wA0XIAN4/khVsx3sWGEgDa3fyMOTUhitV2u+ALfuNWePT6 c+pbTlRqa3Q2AdGrxvozTE6LJAsBRllShXefvBntvzWaMdDYdLnmCc5EVxumHVzeo1Bn YV/HgdLXUEsgYA+3gCUzOXFKXEENVbyKceg7k= Received: by 10.86.92.7 with SMTP id p7mr8807329fgb.72.1215701091487; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.28.10 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807100744g3959112fn4481cee930b2ac29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:44:51 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Attitudionals in a "la" clause In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10807100610o20540cte45148370b69e4a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3ccac5f10807100610o20540cte45148370b69e4a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14594 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 7/10/08, Cyril Slobin wrote: > coi rodo > > If the selbri after "la" contains an attitudional, is it concerned as > a part of a name, or as an attitude of a speaker? Example: > > {la oi cortu cu klama} > > Is it a claim about the person named "oi cortu" or a claim about the > person named "cortu", and expression of a pain that speaker feels > while saying this? That {oi} is not contained by the selbri, it attaches to the gadri, so there can't be any doubt in that case that it is not part of the name. If you had {la cortu oi} there might be some question, but I think it's also an attachment to the name and not a part of it. If you wanted it as part of the name you need to do something like {la oi zei cortu}. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.