From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 20 20:57:53 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KW1J2-00051P-P4 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:57:53 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KW1Iy-000516-7b for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:57:52 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so333071yxp.46 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:57:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=K61LnZtVh6pAy+DWgXIxmgjKd4+F27GIexJESmeziLc=; b=wiuFYU4z9goGxBFcc11ehFsWisoL0ZmmC9qAI3aJOb1iyhPbyhdiWELBHMGHvVCtIP PY0UdLlEoo57W09mwz1WlF4uFhNufcnI59XLZGQhhAoOZ1sNmcCWqUYzq3Ow2q+wUwa5 Iqdz6OXDjkoMfeMMqj5HC4cx4bMqB2IZXxinQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=a5FDW9Enagja+lKctN23etzKFqrBmjt4/FRhwXeigC102EDHmI9e5PQ+FMxrtkE9mK apzO0BRN4P8PU34HGOWyiACtnSSlRYp84/CgqTuRPhtQE2AGEAnS5L5/Uy316RtrHRb3 XmBpn7eWjUlZikMoUQ1MuvqsI3hXdS3nIeunI= Received: by 10.151.13.7 with SMTP id q7mr1343682ybi.52.1219291065210; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.199.20 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30808202057p219c8baycdd14a0580a74c6e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:57:45 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: go'i / ri In-Reply-To: <96f789a60808140840i5e0bcd03kcaba2899e8243b12@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44788.74123.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200808132244.02206.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60808140840i5e0bcd03kcaba2899e8243b12@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:40, Michael Turniansky wrote: > la djan. djica lo nu sutra lo zu'o bredi kei tezu'e lo nu clira fa lo > nu klama le la megan. draci .imu'ibo so'iroi lerci fa ra > > is possibly the most concise, but that leaves "ra" as potentially > ambiguous ("rixici" removes the ambiguity but forces the listener to > count) You know I really don't think this is a problem in written Lojban, because you can always go back and add "goi"s when you need to. And hopefully in informal spoken lojban, just as in informal spoken English, ambiguity like that would be par for the course. I rarely bother to speak more precisely, and when I do, I'm usually thinking hard enough about what I say that (hopefully) forethought or sumti counting would be possible. I'd like to think the problem will be solved when we all get neural implants that can take care of backcounting since our brains are naturally so bad at it. I just read a Peter Watts novel[1] so I'm all hyped up on neural implants. Chris Capel [1] http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.