From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 29 15:46:17 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZCjR-0008Ac-24 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:46:17 -0700 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZCjN-0008AH-MY for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:46:16 -0700 Received: from Thirderivative@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id d.c91.2bc9386d (37133) for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA027-910d48b87c2a154; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:46:02 -0400 Received: from mblk-d14 (mblk-d14.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.6]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA018-5bb148b87c24337; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:45:56 -0400 References: <20080829223806.GA25220@digitalkingdom.org> To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: 2 vowels I'm missing Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:45:56 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 75.162.64.81 In-Reply-To: <20080829223806.GA25220@digitalkingdom.org> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: thirderivative@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CAD8402221260F_B24_3E7B_mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38575-STANDARD Received: from 75.162.64.81 by mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.6) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:45:56 -0400 Message-Id: <8CAD8402219FF0D-B24-1F0A@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: thirderivative@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ----------MB_8CAD8402221260F_B24_3E7B_mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" the short i can often be inserted phonetically (id est, when spoken, but not written) into words that are unusual for english speakers for ease of expression, turning zdani into z(short i sound)dani, or zidani. that helps for those strange consonant clusters, but otherwise doesnt exist in lojban. sadly no short a sound, making those with names that use it, the short i, or the th sound use substitution or make a new name instead ( like i did). -seryf -----Original Message----- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 4:38 pm Subject: [lojban] Re: 2 vowels I'm missing On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 03:20:35PM -0700, Xitron wrote: > > 2 vowels I'm missing > > I'm a beginner, and am seeking info I've not found in the documentation I've read thus far. > > The sound for the short 'i', such as in 'hick' > > The sound for the short 'a', such as in 'hat' > > Have those been discarded entirely? Yes. > If so, what vowel sound is generally substituted? Lojban e and a, respectively. -Robin -- Lojban Reason #17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. ----------MB_8CAD8402221260F_B24_3E7B_mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

the short i can often be inserted phonetically (id est, when spoken, but not written) into words that are unusual for english speakers for ease of expression, turning zdani into z(short i sound)dani, or zidani. that helps for those strange consonant clusters, but otherwise doesnt exist in lojban. sadly no short a sound, making those with names that use it, the short i, or the th sound use substitution or make a new name instead ( like i did).

-seryf

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 4:38 pm
Subject: [lojban] Re: 2 vowels I'm missing

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 03:20:35PM -0700, Xitron wrote:

> 

> 2 vowels I'm missing

> 

> I'm a beginner, and am seeking info I've not found in the documentation I've 

read thus far.

> 

> The sound for the short 'i', such as in 'hick'

> 

> The sound for the short 'a', such as in 'hat'

> 

> Have those been discarded entirely?  



Yes.



> If so, what vowel sound is generally substituted?



Lojban e and a, respectively.



-Robin



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