From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 05 13:57:32 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KbiN2-0007Cl-0K for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:57:32 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KbiMx-0007C0-1y for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:57:31 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 30so176877nfu.46 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:57:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P/LHGLPway0DjUKt3M9/XA1/aDm+jRukudjtNCOGMQ8=; b=VDC+7APQAP5ZSb9csYkGAx5uaRUK3ogKJyog+3H/9jqZwYPz9QDlwab50XLDQiPv6Y A28O849/lYZgOntwCK7NlwmEH5Ki9K72bOLaslsXx7CtKZTU4+77Kea0eKKgl3qkOECv Qu9vk+jXLbSNUukbah52yhJbcAwH9S2bP4n68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=G7zQQiGj9z1BvEWMiDPUbbL0gnVNr2EV6ndp1n8Oigwg0/mUhn240VjJ+PpfqqdYpz 4GOr+1oO1BHHGteainw+Oy6wZ35gmmtUvKc1JlkMWXC2Zpf7+Ltwo7zLBtyHT4z0bg2a StwpGxW5NSe/6x/NQqyh9StQnAB8kTC+VnnD8= Received: by 10.210.135.18 with SMTP id i18mr14287922ebd.122.1220648245461; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.4.234? ( [62.251.21.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d23sm3909826nfh.11.2008.09.05.13.57.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] How to spread the word From: Auke Booij To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:57:22 +0200 Message-Id: <1220648242.3538.15.camel@tulcod-desky> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14700 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: auke.booij@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Oh hello there, First of all, let me admit that I don't speak/write lojban yet. I know, I should, but there's simply no one to talk to, except for the guys on IRC. There needs to be a reason to speak/write/read/hear lojban, and I think this is the most important step in spreading it. So let's recall the German language for a second. It was used internationally because it was used in science. These days, this is no longer the case, but German used to be the de facto standard language for scientific articles. Lojban, with all its properties, would be a very good language in such an environment, because it further forces you to form a definition of everything you're talknig about, resulting in better science. So I think a good way of spreading Lojban would be to start using it in scientific fields first, and then it'll eventually either die or spread to other fields (although I hope the latter happens). How this should be achieved is not yet something I know, but I guess it starts at enabling "famous" science centers to accept Lojban texts. For example, arXiv.org should accept Lojban articles (if you got that down, I guess you're halfway there). Once Lojban is *the* language used by scientists, I think a natural next step would be to put the community to work on translating the entire computer field: websites, wikipedia (!), applications. So, all in all, focus on making Lojban the language used for science. I hope you didn't think of this yet, because that would suggest it's not working. On the other hand, it might take a few years... Well, whatever, this it what I have to say about spreading such a language (and of course I'd love to see Lojban spread) and I hope you can do something with it. Thanks for your time, tulcod. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.