From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 13 11:08:48 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KeZY7-0005qQ-Rv for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:08:47 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KeZY7-0005qF-DV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:08:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:08:47 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: How many fluent speakrs of Lojban are there? Message-ID: <20080913180840.GA9808@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-archive-position: 14734 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 07:52:33AM -0700, arpgme wrote: > > How many fluent speakrs of Lojban are there? > > To me, Lojban seems too logical and non-natural for me to learn > fluently. Define "fluent". Using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILR_scale as a standard: There are perhaps 1-3 dozen people who are level 2, or could be with some brushing up and listening to an hour or two of conversation. There are somewhere between 5 and 10 people who are level 3 for the most part (again, possibly with some brushing up; I know I'd need some). The problem is that Lojban is almost entirely lacking in level 3 *vocabulary*, let alone level 4. This makes it really hard to define "fluency": if you know every word in the language, but you still can't talk about your computer refusing to boot because there's a single bit error in the second RAM chip, well, are you fluent or not? This is something we're putting some effort into. -Robin -- Lojban Reason #17: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.