From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Sep 14 05:52:21 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ker5R-0004Uz-An for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:52:21 -0700 Received: from cpe-071-075-215-096.carolina.res.rr.com ([71.75.215.96] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ker5N-0004T1-2C for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:52:21 -0700 Received: from chausie (chausie.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B61D1A2C for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:52:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Can you read this and tell me if it is correct? Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:52:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809140852.08840.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 2.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 22 X-Spam-Bar: ++ X-archive-position: 14745 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sunday 14 September 2008 04:53:36 Brett Williams wrote: > "be" is confusing, because it's just structural. The thing is we've got > two different levels of bridi going at the same time! That's why we need > to distinguish. For instance: > > le se prami be mi citka > - My beloved eats. > vs > le se prami mi citka > - The beloved eats me! The first one means "the my beloved eater", and being a tanru could mean "my beloved eater" or "the eater of my beloved". To say "My beloved eats," you have to insert "cu" or "ku". > le klama be le zarci be'o xagji > The market-goer is hungry. "the market-goer hungry", similarly. A subclass of this construction that's useful to remember is ones where the first selbri is a measure word: lo milylitce be li pa margu cu grake li pacipixa mu'omi'e pier. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.