From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 02 17:20:39 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlYPP-0002VA-2E for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:20:39 -0700 Received: from narnia.blumen-schwarz.de ([80.190.195.21]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlYPK-0002UR-7Z for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:20:39 -0700 Received: from wh28.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de ([134.96.48.59] helo=nicte.localnet) by narnia.blumen-schwarz.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KlYPB-0001GK-46 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:20:28 +0200 From: Roman Naumann To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: New, more Lojbanic Lojban orthography Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:19:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (Linux/2.6.26-1-amd64; KDE/4.1.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <200810030151.39383.eldrikdo@gmail.com> <737b61f30810021701v671de698yd98f203710410ca0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <737b61f30810021701v671de698yd98f203710410ca0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary-00=_sUW5I6efcKLW09x" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200810030219.56213.eldrikdo@gmail.com> X-Spam_score: -5.0 X-Spam_score_int: -49 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: ------------- Start der SpamAssassin Auswertung --------------- Bei Fragen dazu bitte das Forum life.d.cvmx verwenden! Details der Inhaltsanalyse: (-5.0 Punkte, 5.0 benoetigt) -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Nachricht wurde nur über vertrauenswürdige Rechner weitergeleitet -4.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Spamwahrscheinlichkeit nach Bayes-Test: 0-1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: Nachricht enthält HTML 0.8 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list ---------------- Ende der SpamAssassin Auswertung ----------------- X-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 14820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eldrikdo@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --Boundary-00=_sUW5I6efcKLW09x Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday 03 October 2008 02:01:26 Chris Capel wrote: > Oh my. I don't think Lojban in latin looks wonderful or anything, but > seriously? Compared to bash, Lojban in latin is like a Van Gogh > painting. u'i Though, I really think it's very ugly.. IMHO it looks even worse than most programming langs.. for it lacks the formatting-signs "( )" "{ }" "[ ]" and indentation, but still has a clear grouping. Mathematical expressions in Lojban are funny to read, if there are cmavo for ( and ).. With zbalermorna, this isn't perfect, but at least, most cmavo form a single glyph which is way easier to discern in a scoping-chaos bridi (or complex math-expression). > I learned probably a couple hundred words in Lojban before realizing > that "c" wasn't pronounced like either "k" or "s". It took me a *long* > time to unlearn all that. You have to unlearn the individual words > separately, too. Yes, I noticed that too, you have to relearn the correct pronunciation for words individually.. However, when I first used Tengwar to read some Lojban, I also noticed once or twice that the phoneme-glyph I just read wasn't the sound I had in mind, and relearned the word this way. > Chris Capel mu'o mi'e nam --Boundary-00=_sUW5I6efcKLW09x Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Friday 03 October 2008 02:01:26 Chris Capel wrote:

> Oh my. I don't think Lojban in latin looks wonderful or anything, but

> seriously? Compared to bash, Lojban in latin is like a Van Gogh

> painting.

u'i

Though, I really think it's very ugly..

IMHO it looks even worse than most programming langs..

for it lacks the formatting-signs "( )" "{ }" "[ ]" and indentation,

but still has a clear grouping. Mathematical expressions in Lojban

are funny to read, if there are cmavo for ( and )..

With zbalermorna, this isn't perfect, but at least, most cmavo form a single glyph which is way easier to discern in a scoping-chaos bridi (or complex math-expression).

> I learned probably a couple hundred words in Lojban before realizing

> that "c" wasn't pronounced like either "k" or "s". It took me a *long*

> time to unlearn all that. You have to unlearn the individual words

> separately, too.

Yes, I noticed that too, you have to relearn the correct pronunciation for words individually..

However, when I first used Tengwar to read some Lojban, I also noticed

once or twice that the phoneme-glyph I just read wasn't the sound I had in mind, and relearned the word this way.

> Chris Capel

mu'o mi'e nam

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