From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 07 16:00:32 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KnLXb-000747-Ru for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:00:32 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KnLXY-00073s-T7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:00:31 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 30so1343805nfu.46 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:00:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1ahe5WecJYpqHXNMoPJBlODyDAnfbAxAuamKuo/dQL0=; b=TrnNHxAz+yqCcU1tDGvFfHRIO4Mn/svQOOikl6sgiigxHNjjB9tgZkgbxh7oRth6kc tOdZlfaeRwHm6mtedE0gNFP/BottA9P65VYybV/9ipSG34r7WyzQzYkkUA+yNE67GBXl E9PGWKVZ7Qmu93gCANcJ9p/sGrZfPzBV7N6tE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fjuZ1wblOHLQNMlpxa57tzPTluoF73E8oujiY2Ce4ikQL5kXHwTVcCwO8SAYgLq+/+ f61xPNvhLBCSOTRe2HtmA1e+Mm6iTvj52LertchYqIQ3qW1U/nUtje/08rItod2m8MF4 MQP8ExzpAwv9FOIVGHrLzRu80FKvzW394lMl4= Received: by 10.103.176.2 with SMTP id d2mr3924968mup.134.1223420427156; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.134.6 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ccac5f10810071600k7f21ee0btd61e80406590b649@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:00:27 +0400 From: "Cyril Slobin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Second Life In-Reply-To: <48EBDD5A.10909@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48EBDD5A.10909@lojban.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 877ddd0e860d16a7 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14827 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cyril@slobin.pp.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 10/8/08, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > As for Lojban having a group, it appears to me that the Loglan > > conversation group is active and the Lojban group is not: we have > > attracted one of their members, who is planning to join our meeting > > next weekend. > > I believe he was talking specifically about a Lojban group on "Second > Life", but he might have been making a more general statement. > > I would like to respond (and to do so accurately). Can people > summarize the various opportunities for Lojban conversation on line, > via text and/or voice. And specifically what is the status of using > Second Life for Lojban conversation among the various options. How > many are involved, and how often? It is me who was attracted to join their meeting in Second Life, so I probably should to tell more about Second Life conlangs presence: 1) "Loglan Conversation Group" includes six people now (counting myself). As far as I know, two or three of them do really meet once a week for a hour (typically Sat or Sun). For some silly circumstances I have failed to attend last two meetings, so I'll try to join them at the next weekend. ("Last two" because I have learned about this group two weeks ago only). 2) "Lojban Institute of SL" group includes about 30 people now ("about" because SL interface doesn't show totals; I have counted them one by one, and small error is possible). But it seems like most of them have visited Second Life a year ago or more. This is typical: someone joins the world, plays month or two, and leaves forever, not deleting his/her account. In particular, the founder of the group has his/her last visit in January 2007. I do not know who s/he is in real life, because this is not obvious from SL nicknames. And, if someone with nickname "xorxes" *is* xorxes (xorxes, are you?), then his last visit was in 2006. 3) During my four months in SL (I have joined the world in the end of March this year) I have noted no activity in Lojban group. More than, when I myself asked in the group chat if anyone is interested in some collective project, the only person answered was loglanist (who is a member of the Lojban group too). Two or three other people seemed to be online, but was probably not interested. See also: http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/68.html 4) For comparison, Esperanto people are really active in SL, and there are many of them. If you want to meet someone who speak Esperanto, you do not need to arrange a date and time: if you just come to popular among Esperantists meeting place and wait for a while, you probably meet someone else who came there with the same idea in mind. BTW, about Esperanto: we are building an Esperanto Library in SL now. Do we have any Esperanto papers about Lojban, except long ago outdated brochure? Sorry for my terrible English today, I am a bit ill now, and therefore speak in a tangled way even in my native Russian. -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, `it means just what I choose it to mean' To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.