From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Oct 11 07:44:00 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KofhI-0001RG-DJ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:44:00 -0700 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KofhE-0001Qm-J4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:44:00 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9BEhswT017470 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:43:54 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.12.8/Submit) id m9BEhrK7000400 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:43:54 GMT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:43:53 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Numerical questions Message-ID: <20081011144352.GA27121@sdf.lonestar.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list de'i li 11 pi'e 10 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. jozis. .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Supposing I were to say (for example), 'li reci'. Under most circumstances, > this would be assumed to be in base-ten, and mean twenty-three. Most of the > time this is clearly what is meant. However, there are some cases, and the > example I would give is memory addresses in assembly-language programming and > such, where one might need to specify the radix. In the memory-address > example, decimal is probably not what is meant, but it could equally be octal > (nineteen) or hex (thirty-five). Is there some way of unambiguously > specifying the radix in Lojban? .skamyxatra Use the mathematical operator "{ju'u}", which causes the left operand to be interpreted in the base specified by the right operand (which is assumed to be in base 10). So 023 would be "{li reci ju'u bi}," and 0x23 is "{li reci ju'u paxa}." > My second question is a little less crucial. Going back to base-ten, ten is > 'li pano' and 'one hundred' is 'li panono'. By the time we get to 'panonono' > for 'one thousand' it is getting a bit unwieldy, but fortunately we have > 'ki'o' to help us out. 'li paki'oki'o' is not too bad for 'one million', but > for larger numbers even this is a bit cumbersome. Am I missing a concise way > to represent (for example) 10^15? You could say "{li pano te'a pamu}" (10 to the power of 15), or you could express it in scientific notation with "{li gei pamu}." See chapter 18 of the Lojban Reference Grammar for more information. mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy. -- do ganai ka'e tcidu dei gi djuno lo dukse To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.