From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Nov 05 05:40:39 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kxich-00043K-Fm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:40:39 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f15.google.com ([209.85.217.15]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kxice-00042Y-Gt for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:40:39 -0800 Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so1954809gxk.0 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:40:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=z44d6jAKLY91PJIloBNLRvUkF/o8l62EgFoKVFl52Bg=; b=PQOvyHWbCJA8xfkPdVs7QI4uMKJwJq7T3fU39LhXy/AQlIm+02CFL/h64UUTGZ36DJ yi9VdHcYi1G6807EzuAPPdRZET8JDUyIgNyiRCSx8Rdtw9nUdxhQPWE7+m1Q9XFC5Gnx SsOKASyWwH3t/UNTfsXG6bTsKMn+yG1TJSW64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ZFk4VBKhpVJO0nPQbIz7FJyotu/RMqon20RxYp4jn6a0f5K8f+ALBoZIZWbn8hdUrj WrsprRL87Aa22trd8rd2cQxeclIYNo2Rh97GDJALHKod0Bt3hMzN8Q56LwYeeMl18MOe NezMovpu7zfaqFEAyHN/hjzkAq3yUxphIqPLM= Received: by 10.151.144.15 with SMTP id w15mr1711995ybn.131.1225892430613; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.199.20 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:40:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30811050540p4881b741gc4b92b05fa09b11b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:40:30 -0600 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: experimental cmavo in lojgloss. In-Reply-To: <20081103195311.GK2447@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30811022128n9e8692evefaa820062d2a652@mail.gmail.com> <20081103195311.GK2447@nvg.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14928 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 13:53, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > Depends on how forgiving you want to make the parser. The official parser just assumes that all unknown cmavo are UI. That would be a good first step, with specific exception for known ones (that aren't in fact UI). > One major problem with trying to parse experimental cmavo is that they are very ad-hoc. Often, someone will suggest that some new kind of cmavo is necessary/would be nice, and then grab an arbitrary cmavo form from experimental space (xVV*/CVV+'+V*) without checking if someone else have suggested the same cmavo with a completely different use. The solution for this is to allow multiple definitions for the same word and then let the user of Lojgloss switch between them at parse time. > Another point (or, if you like, a stern warning): if you decide you want to handle experimental cmavo and constructs, please flag them as such, prominently. A glosser/parser is a tool that people not only use to make sense of other people's texts, but also to check if their own prose is correct. If they try to use experimental cmavo, they need to know that their Lojban is not quite kosher, and might not be understood by those who aren't down with the latest lingo. I can certainly color them differently, and maybe mark them in the text output as well. But in general, I don't think users are going to have much trouble recognizing the form of experimental cmavo, if they're familiar with the concept at all. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.