From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 06 05:47:51 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ky5DD-00045Y-3S for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:47:51 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.245]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ky5D9-00045I-F5 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:47:51 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so640300rvf.46 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:47:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YqHNb+UWtbyp/LcpHhPT/mHjR+YhMhFLqNLl7lCIjec=; b=BAFZ74L5jmatmzvgWpvSbIsd6RmYnwEtgKBmPQuET2lfBxYOQ3U+siL8CYVW9LChOt dNgMaGmg4fr0wKKsvP+kbtedl0f5FKYbK07CiLcb9J1ol+sXtQRmqA1hQSqxq14vkEIG /lPm6U6cbvBDBX0Lm6TlrXcSEg1EnQ4bCHB2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KQ1iL6DDbA5w/ZkDJ6430EPPz7SX1AdbgI1Nvht6diVJF4GKdyhTJpZeMqhYIIet57 RIaevIjBN2cq2z5icY984+6j7L24FHlgyIcVimf2XSuJGHLYw4F3z53WeLLaPN4v72Yj lciSDuCF90yYLno3DZmLUbNuAJfYdfCmL6iZ8= Received: by 10.141.175.5 with SMTP id c5mr1192583rvp.243.1225979266575; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 05:47:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811060547x91443b1p7756e152f8093036@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:47:46 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: experimental cmavo in lojgloss. In-Reply-To: <737b61f30811051630t6adad5e0x54456e789d70c5b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30811022128n9e8692evefaa820062d2a652@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811031040t402eb7a9k31e0d61bf7ca3cea@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811040350g2a04db8ewd2f34a8a43d96767@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811041523o3574936fp27dea91b6a058c26@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811050534i514b3fddv197b2a07a47655f9@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811051630t6adad5e0x54456e789d70c5b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14934 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Chris Capel wrote: > Now, SA has a lot more complicated grammar, so lo'ai would > be easier to implement even using the same technique. (And contrary to > Jorge, I'm not too sure it would introduce any weird interactions with > the SA machinery.) I don't think interactions with SA are the problem. I think LOhAI (if the construction is to be more than just a free modifier) is much more complicated than SA, with or without interactions. I agree their interaction is mostly irrelevant. What SA does is: before each word, look ahead to see whether the word and everything that follows up to SA will end up being deleted by SA. If not, proceed. If yes, ignore everythig up to the replacement word and proceed from there. LOhAI can't do just that. What it has to do is: before each word, look ahead to see whether the word and some of what follows will be deleted. If not, proceed. If yes, ignore everything that matches the part between LOhAI and SAhAI, continue with what comes after SAhAI, go back to the end of the previous match and proceeed from there. The only way I can see that working with a PEG is having a different rule for each potential replacement string. But the number of potential replacements is infinite, so I don't see how that could work. (Or I may be missing something.) What Daniel proposes is much simpler, but I'm still not sure I see the point of it. It won't do anything useful for humans, nor for a computer parser. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.