From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 10 09:53:07 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzawl-0000hS-Bt for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:53:07 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzawh-0000gf-Mg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:53:07 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so629145ugc.36 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:53:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Vzgl66NFPGFI8BnGPsLVqVX+fZ9Wcw2cIkc0kVkJXdY=; b=d5t6ySA4pssCb+aEWhQ8ZNInAbKrZVY4yJabz6ZPeO14p6pjmr8n/9aQSj4I4WnRmt 3z8O2NKlu5rvWwrwdI0wxDy6dikbSrpy+07U7pzzWGFH/nQueRFFMv0sF31ZT2v2xzy7 dflSr3UVbVi6FfIjP549rLzIZ2VbbtZt1ZHLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JSoIBrl07blvk7CyOjBGNAZdHqtVNVD4fXcQNAE3XC//DcNXaj6GFm0er/Yd9/jqPD fwind2QjDPnvwjKZwJGXG3Joz8zZeZJLLyuf562wFr1ftA9OpSVtnYRdzp5wMspDXD2u ngGcGUzy84liobD2v1gCYu0/VDT5Z3AnnHbPY= Received: by 10.103.117.9 with SMTP id u9mr3909100mum.55.1226339581737; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.103.199.18 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:53:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4de8c3930811100953o20a631a9xa27d8915b1030442@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:53:01 +0100 From: tijlan To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce In-Reply-To: <925d17560811100937t285e1c1bv5132c99c439f664d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0810260835h78654a7dr11b5b5c0957bce70@mail.gmail.com> <200811072307.26737.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4de8c3930811080122n7f91eea3v53fc4cce02d4d343@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811081102l72b38fefp6a3adae34d562d71@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811100828k50ff608ehc6a5ae96446807ef@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930811100917r15b2157bic39665d299d0f224@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811100937t285e1c1bv5132c99c439f664d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2d34e0d72ff03afb X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 14979 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 2008/11/10 Jorge Llambías : > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM, tijlan wrote: >> >> In this case I think it's essential that we retain the "lo nu" parts >> as we interpret the sentences: >> >> lo nu mi klama le zarci cu jalge lo nu mi ba te vecnu lo matne >> The (actual) event "I go to the market" results from the (ideal) >> event "I will buy butter". > > That's what I'm not sure about. Can an actual, present event be the > result of an ideal, future event? Being ideal doesn't necessarily mean being incapable of being an antecedent. For clarity, let me specify these general "nu"s: lo zu'o mi klama le zarci cu jalge lo si'o mi ba te vecnu lo matne There is an idea of me buying butter to begin with, and then, as a result, there is an action of me going to the market. mu'o mi'e tijlan To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.