From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Nov 16 13:14:37 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1ox3-000380-ES for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:37 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L1ox0-00037i-TA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:37 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2378185rvf.46 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YLniII7F1QQUeqU6BadHPp0DSReR+lvQnSmDQHNJjGg=; b=oBdyKJNVxRF8Ihcql99SAHEsZ6sKBKSO7csl2bvGPLjCFCP6uAOxrAG29MgL5ntuyR cjIMhBu/RJNAtA9UksDGO9H8P52ctd7Ok+qClC2ZhyrNXRkrMRaJwyh+WEmrSXEh25sX 77WZGh57K9Fe1pJX4Y2N4ArBGLcZpDDoG5t4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=rSiSsXaezcZJ2nKZ+OY7DTn5/BaVTLm8A/HtYR/VxQC+fX9IyyJlTEbSxx4pZGr2LS +ArabHK4rXLEE4PDoR+ju0x0f6L7QzmRQBDB2BNt10cZ1txf6SyZcw1guLnKG4GQG2KE oBPT4fcD5fdr8JQmP/9mYrZCrkknHH1kkKdM0= Received: by 10.140.125.19 with SMTP id x19mr1836228rvc.171.1226870074162; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560811161314h5775324fx11c3827ec0fbe5d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:14:34 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Annotated PEG grammar In-Reply-To: <737b61f30811161300n49bb161dva4f44a80326d4c42@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30811151245n352f23dala9685c894d991550@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811161212p58b0e789mb61889dddc04c2ba@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811161221r476aed32o1989aa1f1ebadedf@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811161240m3daa490ax5c998bde0ce32da2@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811161252x6f8f17e7s1d4348f7d3f9ae74@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30811161300n49bb161dva4f44a80326d4c42@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15051 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Chris Capel wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 14:52, Chris Capel wrote: >> It turns out that sumti-1 is the first member of a series in the >> grammar to reference a previous member of its series. So sumti-4 is >> very much the rule, not the exception. "gek sumti gik sumti-4" is weird because it means "ge da .a de gi da .a di" will group as "(ge (da .a de) gi da) .a di", which is horrible. > The only reason that comment >> was there is because it was a comment I put in my copy of the grammar >> file while debugging something about the grammar parse tree. Do you >> think more rules should reference earlier members of the series when >> possible? That would very much change the semantics of the language, >> albeit often in gray areas. What I think is that "ge X gi Y" should be symmetrical in X and Y, it should always be possibe to rewrite it as "ge Y gi X" without changing the meaning. > Now that I look at it, that sumti-1 rule looks fishy. Why is it > referencing sumti instead of sumti-1? The only thing in sumti is VUhO, > which looks just wrong. It means you can use a VUhO relative clause to apply only within a KE-KEhE grouped sumti. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.