From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 18 17:07:49 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2bXp-0003f7-J7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:07:49 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2bXn-0003f0-5j for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:07:49 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so3434213rvf.46 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fcOfFlesJox9brjTjwOJqLnsv6BcN/vvPnJaF5SvMz8=; b=cQflxWS7jILK+tIZaA3BUmFPqpxLiROVpnXFzfGKDCiqKhAKLLAXUlTW2YkzdGLYRr ykO8z5nfRx1V1U2bH1JyP+rLez3FLGwHDNqM0RalBlEmbo5O1wZKS3E+3oFS63VIIpjT afXdgTaaS9emhRWjaOkBuGj8JiX/przLkBo0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cs+GXRFd++GRl0vpowMKx4nOe87+vRnY2CWgEpWwlMX8ugviHcojVXI29rCvrja1aB Ual34TahZ0JasmnOha4ljsrTAsngGEofuMDo56GJBWI8R5LD4Z271+eAI+RebrcW5i6J hv/hgSsv4xsWSANpqKOOhfGQgChMddLKcaiys= Received: by 10.140.136.5 with SMTP id j5mr252115rvd.167.1227056866272; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.202.10 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30811181707q39afadbcsbd0c3bfb61f4f807@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:07:46 -0600 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: more grammar discussion In-Reply-To: <925d17560811170334q71b89c65oe6fa6b3aa6e699f9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30811162220l2851d26ai745a0875c3377f9b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560811170334q71b89c65oe6fa6b3aa6e699f9@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15056 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:34, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Chris Capel wrote: >>> sumti-tail <- (sumti-6 relatives?)? sumti-tail-1 / relatives sumti-tail-1 >> >> It looks like this rule is a bit redundant. It could be simplified to >> >> sumti-tail <- sumti-6? relatives? sumti-tail-1 >> >> without changing the meaning. > > I think the reason for having it separate is that in the presence of > sumti-6, the relatives will apply to sumti-6, while in the absence of > sumti-6, the relatives will apply to the sumti in sumti-tail-1. So > really it should be something like: > > sumti-tail <- (modifier-sumti / relatives)? sumti-tail-1 > > modifier-sumti <- sumti-6 relatives? You make a good case, though I'm not sure I like the name "modifier-sumti". OK, what about this one: > sumti-tail-1 <- selbri relatives? / quantifier selbri relatives? / quantifier sumti becomes sumti-tail-1 <- quantifier? selbri relatives? / quantifier sumti Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.