From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 02 01:34:51 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7Rec-0003me-C3 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:34:51 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f17.google.com ([209.85.217.17]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L7ReN-0003lr-1k for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:34:50 -0800 Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so3443381gxk.10 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:34:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RLA4Ixb3IU7EAC42oai2nkivX60Wv5kRK5kjtRTCir4=; b=XrrqGhORdnmYBKONHRj+X6cd8cw+aEEBMGD7Mp//pQIfgAvVBqyZD8r5YcP8TyjzlR H9z8ngyimeogK7oP65wS7gIihi6cSIQ9H2jtaAN/eGouPqTRQqZpQbSC03mqr/7Olqf0 PP59BojN8XKf8y0qz0ginB8lWCLESqubF+ozY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kOANghEL/93EhqjCw4tVYrj0zu5UnhjDTT7z48ByCvx9fBt+lfJ1zA/1e6fmiV+1y9 bbjeCuphVdAG87BhGFxUeoGcyK2aoucMUcrHQu/4Kre07MAz/LetD3ty8cxIvEBe/JVC 5U8X1uiqP975KVDWyoj+VrkhpYKFj81ridAG4= Received: by 10.150.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr23562527ybf.146.1228210464099; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.12.3 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:34:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <71550650812020134s1fba42aem2aa2b90851f15af1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:34:24 +0200 From: "Yoav Nir" To: lojban-list@lojban.org, thirderivative@aol.com Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition In-Reply-To: <8CB222D10867B0C-6B4-15CB@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54931_29564488.1228210464096" References: <71550650811301425q30077106t3d18c89576840096@mail.gmail.com> <71550650811302132l23edafedq7e86d22c0a4c27e6@mail.gmail.com> <8CB220371C827AA-6B4-126@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> <71550650812011150l2ab4180fwc6f30723034474fc@mail.gmail.com> <8CB222D10867B0C-6B4-15CB@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_54931_29564488.1228210464096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There's several things: - It's available online, so it can be just downloaded. It does not need to be "generated" - It has both a Lojban to English section, and an English to Lojban section. - Easy searching. At the first line of every definition there is a list of the word itself, and each of its rafsi, surrounded by dollar signs. For example, on the first line of xamgu, there's $xamgu$ $xag$ $xau$. But these items are in tiny white letters, so you can't see them. Your PDF reader (tried with Acrobat and Preview) can, so if you see a rafsi in use "ba'u" and want to know what it is, you search for $ba'u$ and learn that it's a rafsi of bacru, and also get the definition of bacru. - lujvo analysis (with links) - links to the words mentioned in other definitions (especially under See Also) On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:35 AM, wrote: > yeah, i finally got the fixed link. it seems like a slightly more friendly > jbovlaste. what is its main strength over the convetional pdf of the > jbovlaste, beyond the list of incomplete words? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yoav Nir > To: lojban-list@lojban.org; thirderivative@aol.com > Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:50 pm > Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition > > Did you try the fixed link? > http://idisk.me.com/yoavetali/Public/ld.pdf > > I should really get someone with a normal web server to host this... > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM, wrote: > >> it keeps saying i need to login to mobileme. how do i get around that? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Yoav Nir >> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org; lojban-list@lojban.org >> Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:32 pm >> Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition >> >> Explorer 7? It's a PDF file. >> You can read it in Acrobat Reader or Preview (on a Mac) >> >> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >> >>> coi rodo >>> I have just created the 2nd edition of my jbovlaste-based dictionary >>> (linked below) >>> >>> Some additions in this edition >>> >>> - updated database >>> - analysis of lujvo (works almost every time) >>> - hyperlinks from lujvo analysis and from links in the text >>> - error list: lojban words that have rafsi, but no English word maps >>> back to them >>> - error list: words linked from lojban definitions, but that have no >>> definitions of their own. >>> >>> I would much appreciate comments, and especially translations of the >>> English text I have in the headers. >>> >>> I would also like to encourage everyone to check out the error lists at >>> the end of the PDF file, and go to jbovlaste and fix it. >>> >>> mi'e ioav >>> >>> >>> http://idisk.me.com/yoavetali/Public/ld.pdf >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Tis the season to save your money! 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There's several things:
  • It's available online, so it can be just downloaded. It does not need to be "generated"
  • It has both a Lojban to English section, and an English to Lojban section.
  • Easy searching. At the first line of every definition there is a list of the word itself, and each of its rafsi, surrounded by dollar signs. For example, on the first line of xamgu, there's $xamgu$ $xag$ $xau$. But these items are in tiny white letters, so you can't see them. Your PDF reader (tried with Acrobat and Preview) can, so if you see a rafsi in use "ba'u" and want to know what it is, you search for $ba'u$ and learn that it's a rafsi of bacru, and also get the definition of bacru.
  • lujvo analysis (with links)
  • links to the words mentioned in other definitions (especially under See Also)
 
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:35 AM, <thirderivative@aol.com> wrote:
yeah, i finally got the fixed link. it seems like a slightly more friendly jbovlaste. what is its main strength over the convetional pdf of the jbovlaste, beyond the list of incomplete words?


-----Original Message-----
From: Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org; thirderivative@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:50 pm
Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition

Did you try the fixed link?


I should really get someone with a normal web server to host this...

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:37 PM, <thirderivative@aol.com> wrote:
it keeps saying i need to login to mobileme. how do i get around that?


-----Original Message-----
From: Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org; lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:32 pm
Subject: [lojban] Re: jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition

Explorer 7? It's a PDF file.

You can read it in Acrobat Reader or Preview (on a Mac)

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo

I have just created the 2nd edition of my jbovlaste-based dictionary (linked below)

Some additions in this edition
  • updated database
  • analysis of lujvo (works almost every time)
  • hyperlinks from lujvo analysis and from links in the text
  • error list: lojban words that have rafsi, but no English word maps back to them
  • error list: words linked from lojban definitions, but that have no definitions of their own.
I would much appreciate comments, and especially translations of the English text I have in the headers.

I would also like to encourage everyone to check out the error lists at the end of the PDF file, and go to jbovlaste and fix it.

mi'e ioav


  http://idisk.me.com/yoavetali/Public/ld.pdf



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