From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 17 05:41:44 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCwel-00063C-NR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:41:44 -0800 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCwej-00062l-Gg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:41:43 -0800 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so3790996wfa.25 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:41:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PBhCIZwCArMy24MbThczGt6nxl1FLxdMWChNbTnbFDQ=; b=gv2WeGSNEmwE5+k5lP9Qf8H5phJfhp0MzGzgXpiWEIN/5YVHY1BQYw8XEII4DMHWor J6YxrjU7AG0URaGleg+dtKrJq6NAU9CuFh6zxGWKNhe7lXzDima54xexg0H8YLJJrrEB zRdONDeGhMDsij50IJKNpQw9iG96yVbE6pQNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=sYPDhRjPvmjgm0st9pg2naEVqfwmtJ+KwLE4e8S/d4g6INbMOXq4UqUQ1QwefrRQwr E6fs/ryS1JTwLRBA75u8EHO3QmgOhZqvrmc4/XbngKYFFDQcvwpTNdmFYaDnCTPrQchM xS5Q3F0cT5p+liza/k2bGSWuJQxDt8wIM269I= Received: by 10.142.139.14 with SMTP id m14mr299164wfd.253.1229521300657; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.141.9 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:41:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60812170541l7c557403te2eee2ea38fc8a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:41:40 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators In-Reply-To: <925d17560812170521l25cd32bar964ae19c64a6c2d8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14922_32633783.1229521300646" References: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812160908j49f6d818y1fdcdf21bfddfb28@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60812161137u6919c05cyf5958e9949ccfaf7@mail.gmail.com> <200812161859.52969.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560812161637y2caa5a41i32372fc376cf603a@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60812170455k54431b6tfe69c2f528bed595@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812170521l25cd32bar964ae19c64a6c2d8@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_14922_32633783.1229521300646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline T24gV2VkLCBEZWMgMTcsIDIwMDggYXQgODoyMSBBTSwgSm9yZ2UgTGxhbWLDrWFzIDxqamxsYW1i aWFzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT53cm90ZToKCj4gT24gV2VkLCBEZWMgMTcsIDIwMDggYXQgOTo1NSBBTSwg TWljaGFlbCBUdXJuaWFuc2t5Cj4gPG10dXJuaWFuc2t5QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4gPgo+ ID4gICBJIHN1Z2dlc3QgdGhpcyBjb252ZXJzYXRpb24gaGFzIG5vdyBncm93biB3ZWxsIGJleW9u ZCB0aGUgbGltaXRzIG9mCj4gPiBsb2piYW4tYmVnaW5uZXJzIGxpc3QuCj4KPiAoSSBhbSByZXNw b25kaW5nIGluIGxvamJhbi1saXN0LikKPgo+ID4gU3VmZmljZSBpdCB0byBzYXkgdGhhdCB3aGls ZSB0aGUgdXNlIG9mIG5hIGlzCj4gPiB3ZWxsLWRlZmluZWQgaW4gc2ltcGxlIGJyaWRpLCBpdHMg bWVhbmluZyBpbiB2ZXJ5IGNvbXBsaWNhdGVkIHNlbnRlbmNlCj4gd2l0aAo+ID4gYm90aCBleGlz dGVudGlhbCBxdWFsaWZpZXJzIGFuZCBicmlkaSB0YWlscyBpcyBub3Qgd2VsbC1kZWZpbmVkLgo+ Cj4gSWYge3N1J28gZGEgbmEgYnJvZGEgZ2knZSBicm9kZX0gY291bnRzIGFzIGEgInZlcnkgY29t cGxpY2F0ZWQKPiBzZW50ZW5jZSIsIHRoZW4gdGhlIGNoYXJhY3Rlcml6YXRpb24gb2YgTG9qYmFu IGFzICJzcG9rZW4gcHJlZGljYXRlCj4gbG9naWMiIGlzIGFsbW9zdCBhIHNoYW0uIFRoZSByZWxh dGl2ZSBzY29wZXMgb2YgcXVhbnRpZmllcnMsIGxvZ2ljYWwKPiBjb25uZWN0aXZlcyBhbmQgbmVn YXRpb24gc2hvdWxkIGJlIHZlcnkgc3RyYWlnaHRmb3J3YXJkLgo+CgogICBObywgeG9yeGVzLiAg SSB0aGluayBpdCBpcyBzdHJhaWdodGZvcndhcmQuICBTbyBkbyB5b3UuICBXZSBqdXN0IHJlYWNo Cm9wcG9zaXRlIGNvbmNsdXNpb25zIGFib3V0IGhvdyBpdCBpcyB0byBiZSBwYXJzZWQuICBZb3Ug YW5kIEkgaGF2ZSBoYWQKZXh0cmVtZWx5IGxvbmcgIGUtbWFpbCBleGNoYW5nZXMgYWJvdXQgdGhp cyB2ZXJ5IHN1YmplY3QgKHdoaWNoIEkgZG9uJ3QgZmVsbApsaWtlIHJldmlzaXRpbmcgcmlnaHQg bm93LCBiZWNhdXNlIHdlIGFncmVlZCB0byBkaXNhZ3JlZSksIHNvIGluIHRoZQppbnRlcmVzdCBv ZiBub3QgZHJpdmluZyBhd2F5IGxvamJhbiBiZWdpbm5lcnMgd2hvIG1pZ2h0IHRocm93IHVwIHRo ZWlyIGhhbmRzCmF0IHRoZSBpZGVhIG9mIGV2ZXIgbGVhcm5pbmcgbG9qYmFuLCBJIGZlbHQgaXQg YmVzdCBub3QgdG8gYmUgdGFsa2VkIGFib3V0CnRoZXJlLiAgVGhlIHF1ZXN0aW9uIGluIHRoYXQg dGhyZWFkIHdhcyBhYm91dCBob3cgIm5hIiBhbmQgIm5hJ2UiIGRpZmZlcmVkLgpUaGUgcXVlc3Rp b24gd2FzIGFuc3dlcmVkIChieSBib3RoIHlvdSAod2hvIGVuZGVkIHVwIGhhdmluZyB0byBob25l c3RseQp3cml0ZSBhIHNlY29uZCBsZXR0ZXIgc2F5aW5nIHRoYXQgeW91ciBmaXJzdCBzdGF0ZW1l bnQsIGNvbnRyYWRpY3RvcnkgdGhlCkNMTCBhbmQgcHJlc2VudGVkIHVucXVhbGlmaWVkIHRvIGJl Z2lubmVycyBpbiBsb2piYW4sICB3YXMgaW4gZmFjdCBvbmx5CiJkZXBlbmRzIHdobyB5b3UgYXNr IikgYW5kIG1lKSwgc28gaXQgd2FzIHRpbWUgdG8gbW92ZSBvbi4KCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0tZ2VqeXNwYQo= ------=_Part_14922_32633783.1229521300646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline PGJyPjxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSI+T24gV2VkLCBEZWMgMTcsIDIwMDggYXQg ODoyMSBBTSwgSm9yZ2UgTGxhbWLDrWFzIDxzcGFuIGRpcj0ibHRyIj4mbHQ7PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFp bHRvOmpqbGxhbWJpYXNAZ21haWwuY29tIj5qamxsYW1iaWFzQGdtYWlsLmNvbTwvYT4mZ3Q7PC9z cGFuPiB3cm90ZTo8YnI+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0iYm9y ZGVyLWxlZnQ6IDFweCBzb2xpZCByZ2IoMjA0LCAyMDQsIDIwNCk7IG1hcmdpbjogMHB0IDBwdCAw cHQgMC44ZXg7IHBhZGRpbmctbGVmdDogMWV4OyI+CjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9IkloMkUzZCI+T24gV2Vk LCBEZWMgMTcsIDIwMDggYXQgOTo1NSBBTSwgTWljaGFlbCBUdXJuaWFuc2t5PGJyPgombHQ7PGEg aHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOm10dXJuaWFuc2t5QGdtYWlsLmNvbSI+bXR1cm5pYW5za3lAZ21haWwuY29t PC9hPiZndDsgd3JvdGU6PGJyPgomZ3Q7PGJyPgomZ3Q7ICZuYnNwOyBJIHN1Z2dlc3QgdGhpcyBj b252ZXJzYXRpb24gaGFzIG5vdyBncm93biB3ZWxsIGJleW9uZCB0aGUgbGltaXRzIG9mPGJyPgom Z3Q7IGxvamJhbi1iZWdpbm5lcnMgbGlzdC48YnI+Cjxicj4KPC9kaXY+KEkgYW0gcmVzcG9uZGlu ZyBpbiBsb2piYW4tbGlzdC4pPGJyPgo8ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJJaDJFM2QiPjxicj4KJmd0OyBTdWZm aWNlIGl0IHRvIHNheSB0aGF0IHdoaWxlIHRoZSB1c2Ugb2YgbmEgaXM8YnI+CiZndDsgd2VsbC1k ZWZpbmVkIGluIHNpbXBsZSBicmlkaSwgaXRzIG1lYW5pbmcgaW4gdmVyeSBjb21wbGljYXRlZCBz ZW50ZW5jZSB3aXRoPGJyPgomZ3Q7IGJvdGggZXhpc3RlbnRpYWwgcXVhbGlmaWVycyBhbmQgYnJp ZGkgdGFpbHMgaXMgbm90IHdlbGwtZGVmaW5lZC48YnI+Cjxicj4KPC9kaXY+SWYge3N1JiMzOTtv IGRhIG5hIGJyb2RhIGdpJiMzOTtlIGJyb2RlfSBjb3VudHMgYXMgYSAmcXVvdDt2ZXJ5IGNvbXBs aWNhdGVkPGJyPgpzZW50ZW5jZSZxdW90OywgdGhlbiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVyaXphdGlvbiBvZiBM b2piYW4gYXMgJnF1b3Q7c3Bva2VuIHByZWRpY2F0ZTxicj4KbG9naWMmcXVvdDsgaXMgYWxtb3N0 IGEgc2hhbS4gVGhlIHJlbGF0aXZlIHNjb3BlcyBvZiBxdWFudGlmaWVycywgbG9naWNhbDxicj4K Y29ubmVjdGl2ZXMgYW5kIG5lZ2F0aW9uIHNob3VsZCBiZSB2ZXJ5IHN0cmFpZ2h0Zm9yd2FyZC48 YnI+CjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9IkloMkUzZCI+PC9kaXY+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjxkaXY+PGJyPiZuYnNw OyZuYnNwOyBObywgeG9yeGVzLiZuYnNwOyBJIHRoaW5rIGl0IGlzIHN0cmFpZ2h0Zm9yd2FyZC4m bmJzcDsgU28gZG8geW91LiZuYnNwOyBXZSBqdXN0IHJlYWNoIG9wcG9zaXRlIGNvbmNsdXNpb25z IGFib3V0IGhvdyBpdCBpcyB0byBiZSBwYXJzZWQuJm5ic3A7IFlvdSBhbmQgSSBoYXZlIGhhZCBl eHRyZW1lbHkgbG9uZyZuYnNwOyBlLW1haWwgZXhjaGFuZ2VzIGFib3V0IHRoaXMgdmVyeSBzdWJq ZWN0ICh3aGljaCBJIGRvbiYjMzk7dCBmZWxsIGxpa2UgcmV2aXNpdGluZyByaWdodCBub3csIGJl Y2F1c2Ugd2UgYWdyZWVkIHRvIGRpc2FncmVlKSwgc28gaW4gdGhlIGludGVyZXN0IG9mIG5vdCBk cml2aW5nIGF3YXkgbG9qYmFuIGJlZ2lubmVycyB3aG8gbWlnaHQgdGhyb3cgdXAgdGhlaXIgaGFu ZHMgYXQgdGhlIGlkZWEgb2YgZXZlciBsZWFybmluZyBsb2piYW4sIEkgZmVsdCBpdCBiZXN0IG5v dCB0byBiZSB0YWxrZWQgYWJvdXQgdGhlcmUuJm5ic3A7IFRoZSBxdWVzdGlvbiBpbiB0aGF0IHRo cmVhZCB3YXMgYWJvdXQgaG93ICZxdW90O25hJnF1b3Q7IGFuZCAmcXVvdDtuYSYjMzk7ZSZxdW90 OyBkaWZmZXJlZC4mbmJzcDsgVGhlIHF1ZXN0aW9uIHdhcyBhbnN3ZXJlZCAoYnkgYm90aCB5b3Ug KHdobyBlbmRlZCB1cCBoYXZpbmcgdG8gaG9uZXN0bHkgd3JpdGUgYSBzZWNvbmQgbGV0dGVyIHNh eWluZyB0aGF0IHlvdXIgZmlyc3Qgc3RhdGVtZW50LCBjb250cmFkaWN0b3J5IHRoZSBDTEwgYW5k IHByZXNlbnRlZCB1bnF1YWxpZmllZCB0byBiZWdpbm5lcnMgaW4gbG9qYmFuLCZuYnNwOyB3YXMg aW4gZmFjdCBvbmx5ICZxdW90O2RlcGVuZHMgd2hvIHlvdSBhc2smcXVvdDspIGFuZCBtZSksIHNv IGl0IHdhcyB0aW1lIHRvIG1vdmUgb24uJm5ic3A7IDxicj4KPGJyPiZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNw OyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZu YnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNw OyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZu YnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNw OyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyZuYnNwOyAtLWdlanlzcGE8YnI+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjwvZGl2Pjxicj4K ------=_Part_14922_32633783.1229521300646-- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.