From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 17 06:04:44 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCx11-0001JN-Ud for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:44 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LCx0z-0001J1-PV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:43 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so4678216rvf.46 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=lUJl1mZcxG6a2B2K1walFtdHaELtx16fS/5FhaC4ODM=; b=OCqg2HuRQL3MLmIg+M3d/Vih/991yRlTrR036kDLW6/lnnqnn+zg0l+YST/IHCyXFm HiXbc6XSRPHwUzvYOC10r3/besaRe29vfM6GECYwOhb+dnBJJSr2xXzUQZP+shNTGnGo nrIUNPmfRDZ6fA38sxIVj9iXGCtziZ8KxNVHU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kFmW/kamOtiTsY06pq0PCXf+MbudDGFG0rjKBnrdn2Ebhqick66n41aYNhHnagBGcy FuMY/KDCrAT8rzewOmlwp51oZI02xBGw8ZCGYAswMLX45ZkM1ENP7Yqzrh52IbM2J3Xp 5JPW60rsZJOO9HGSWVY1jCecghkzvKC6ieLDA= Received: by 10.140.163.12 with SMTP id l12mr404245rve.178.1229522680790; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:04:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560812170604u393e5305p593cdeb435162afc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:04:40 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: About the negators In-Reply-To: <96f789a60812170541l7c557403te2eee2ea38fc8a1c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <70697fa40812152124u39a177a2hc52d604e9a30e469@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812160908j49f6d818y1fdcdf21bfddfb28@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60812161137u6919c05cyf5958e9949ccfaf7@mail.gmail.com> <200812161859.52969.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560812161637y2caa5a41i32372fc376cf603a@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60812170455k54431b6tfe69c2f528bed595@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812170521l25cd32bar964ae19c64a6c2d8@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60812170541l7c557403te2eee2ea38fc8a1c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Jorge Llambías > wrote: >> >> The relative scopes of quantifiers, logical >> connectives and negation should be very straightforward. > > No, xorxes. I think it is straightforward. So do you. We just reach > opposite conclusions about how it is to be parsed. Which shows it is not so straightforward. > The question in that thread was about how "na" and "na'e" differed. > The question was answered (by both you (who ended up having to honestly > write a second letter saying that your first statement, contradictory the > CLL and presented unqualified to beginners in lojban, was in fact only > "depends who you ask") and me), so it was time to move on. Please read my first answer carefully again. It was not contradictory to the CLL. I was very careful in avoiding the contentious issue until someone brought it up explicitly. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.