From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 25 22:51:05 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LG6XJ-0003kI-1A for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:51:05 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LG6XI-0003kA-US for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:51:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:51:04 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: gleki xisri'i Message-ID: <20081226065104.GO10930@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20081225043944.GA29775@sdf.lonestar.org> <20081225094052.GH10930@digitalkingdom.org> <20081225194149.GA28595@sdf.lonestar.org> <3ccac5f10812251622v5e4d1389mfc03381c6d041f5f@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10812251650l45c44633ufbdbd196ec2a8771@mail.gmail.com> <20081226032911.GM10930@digitalkingdom.org> <3ccac5f10812252018h34447cabm8bbb7f819c6ac1af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10812252018h34447cabm8bbb7f819c6ac1af@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-archive-position: 15163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 07:18:43AM +0300, Cyril Slobin wrote: > > I imagine that figuring out that "nu le broda broda" means "nu > > le broda KU broda KEI" in real time would *really* suck. I > > don't think a human could keep up. > > I agree. I do not suggest to change the rules, I am trying to say > that we need a better explanation of "the innermost the longest" > rule. In fact we need *some* explanation of this rule: it is a > common lojban lore, but I haven't seen it written explicitly in > CLL or elsewhere. And I believe that the explanation should *not* > refer to YACC, LALR, and other low-level tech details. We must > found a way to explain this in the language terms. IIRC, jcowan was able to explain this to me without resorting to same, although I don't remember how. But yes, I agree. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" -- http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.