From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 26 06:42:45 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGDtl-0001f0-Jq for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:42:45 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.242]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGDtg-0001dw-9d for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:42:45 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so4063852rvf.46 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=x8nxFT0Uxww05zFYPUodHJuRm7RqXfjREhEp5q4Na50=; b=NW83nCjgiMSKrA8k7tiMMASL7ysUSvxcNvr7FWvtfKC6aqyOxN5VMIsvdO8kqaPRQV 1O2tSLc2D4Pjlmd+rpjjbxxi94NXOTKSh2t60BfpD+fzeNiD7mr5ZJnw5UOXEdEqC6re fQkJOQqVCosj8K7aiQwvyheKatGTU3nPFZ5kA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=hg0tfTgvBcFM1AZi2nNRAnJnUuyP6B3Ha+y3tVusCwIEE816VjhtkZDBLd12Ww4QhJ W9Qc8K5dK2kcZ0/fw1brR0b7bbkWKpENldo1MS1wd/YA69fFMS6GA6JcNzNVsaQ8k2zq /mqmXoXGYfI6dlbACN7DUU+Unu4Qpr85hHAeg= Received: by 10.140.164.6 with SMTP id m6mr5316420rve.29.1230302554719; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560812260642h57bfe202i72eb4affef82ac93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:42:34 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: gleki xisri'i In-Reply-To: <3ccac5f10812252018h34447cabm8bbb7f819c6ac1af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081225043944.GA29775@sdf.lonestar.org> <20081225094052.GH10930@digitalkingdom.org> <20081225194149.GA28595@sdf.lonestar.org> <3ccac5f10812251622v5e4d1389mfc03381c6d041f5f@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10812251650l45c44633ufbdbd196ec2a8771@mail.gmail.com> <20081226032911.GM10930@digitalkingdom.org> <3ccac5f10812252018h34447cabm8bbb7f819c6ac1af@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Cyril Slobin wrote: > > I do not suggest to change the rules, I am trying to say that we need > a better explanation of "the innermost the longest" rule. In fact we need *some* > explanation of this rule: it is a common lojban lore, but I haven't seen it > written explicitly in CLL or elsewhere. And I believe that the > explanation should > *not* refer to YACC, LALR, and other low-level tech details. We must found a way > to explain this in the language terms. I think the correct statement of the elidability rule is something like this: "An elidable terminator terminates some construct. The terminator can be elided if and only if the construct it terminates won't be extended in its absence." In the case of "nu le broda KU broda", KU is terminating the construct "le broda KU". If we elide it, that construct will be extened to "le broda brode [KU]", and so it cannot be elided. It doesn't matter where the construct under consideation is embedded. Or whether by inserting a terminator in the middle of a construct we could make some ungrammatical text grammatical or not. The only thing to consider is the single construct that the terminator terminates and whether anything that follows will be absorbed by that construct if the terminator is absent. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.