From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 26 08:15:46 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGFLl-0002hl-TR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:15:46 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f11.google.com ([209.85.217.11]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LGFLi-0002gD-RQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:15:45 -0800 Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so4227328gxk.10 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:15:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=p+VI8RMk8Cflqf9thrQulLg2y2AIxtraYcUup+wjKQ4=; b=E0zBVWamUOG/1vYYlw8i1wCrpNYTqOj7kF9AWz0MhxRXNKGeLn8N6smAegG6TN05xy yUJgPFzxiJwSuOznPxeqjVaWfqASFF1xfLVtyrkcXxeaGdGJbcd4a1YXsqUHeQGhYWsD buGRk4lvz8Kj8qgfCyB9o2DqFaFmy81d+9MAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bi13osOcqQHrPKm/Wx3AwKet4nFPP5q7m5LBgnOZrdEFwCmXdio58KEo+JyK/TcRe0 XoyyXxIfeqvLlHKS+Me2cDJL5cPJ1TSKAvnPHoYishNdA8ftq9nJf89Pxjdnht42DD+z AIvajajXMfmDa410j6FjCUmGjOfQylAo65QX8= Received: by 10.151.40.6 with SMTP id s6mr20339124ybj.202.1230308136186; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.191.11 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:15:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <737b61f30812260815u54db635bn757d17a6739bbaec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:15:36 -0600 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: gleki xisri'i In-Reply-To: <925d17560812260642h57bfe202i72eb4affef82ac93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081225043944.GA29775@sdf.lonestar.org> <20081225094052.GH10930@digitalkingdom.org> <20081225194149.GA28595@sdf.lonestar.org> <3ccac5f10812251622v5e4d1389mfc03381c6d041f5f@mail.gmail.com> <3ccac5f10812251650l45c44633ufbdbd196ec2a8771@mail.gmail.com> <20081226032911.GM10930@digitalkingdom.org> <3ccac5f10812252018h34447cabm8bbb7f819c6ac1af@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560812260642h57bfe202i72eb4affef82ac93@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 08:42, Jorge Llambías wrote: > I think the correct statement of the elidability rule is something like this: > > "An elidable terminator terminates some construct. The terminator can > be elided if and only if the construct it terminates won't be extended > in its absence." This statement of the rule (just a clarification? or is it stronger?) seems to make it even more clear that a pure CFG will not suffice to handle elideable terminators. It would require one part of the parse tree to know what's going on in a completely different (though textually adjacent) part. > In the case of "nu le broda KU broda", KU is terminating the construct > "le broda KU". If we elide it, that construct will be extened to "le > broda brode [KU]", and so it cannot be elided. Robin, would a proof that a CFG could not correctly parse this one specific example suffice for the lesser prize? Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.