From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 10 09:23:45 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LWwKm-0000Gc-Rh for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:23:44 -0800 Received: from mail-qy0-f20.google.com ([209.85.221.20]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LWwKk-0000GB-0h for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:23:44 -0800 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so4334461qyk.10 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1MpbqzPEusjBZP2EQv0T6pPYBZycbwiHjQTCQYQYB10=; b=B5ZcTsdRWsVkq7mKZj+kXsk8j9OIBUjKLvrg0WXZNlm35kWumdmCT8mWzckGxtSguL oJStrUwx9srLNnDo5ay8UErruhJZMxmPmSAaxaLdhqkJuPGpNgmy+K6Ek2unGCX5lIGe wVS1JhZozc068/P9Sx9USRGccOOYdbRjpVbEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sFMvTLzSE4fYoCh3r+QNUUzi+iivjzhJbSHSu63LUqNPEFqV64ttvtHirWk9Wll1Dz Zt2QpBGtScKqApxX1+LX5s1ZB1y9C8F4ap815GBZAEQOscIPiNu3gsZieQ8mBjaa8Yt/ icBNYHT+JKm9NY1n0qR5cQlGU/ka7BhFZXUOA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.2 with SMTP id n2mr2974801qck.8.1234286616068; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:23:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <737b61f30902100846g265c604ard1706b5924b4636@mail.gmail.com> References: <737b61f30902081336g2818a979sf6a6db307e512c75@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560902091531k16bf93efk7113996d5f786767@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30902091642h7e41234ufc1bdd8e7ddb5f6c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560902100411mc814179h1930114009ce8641@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30902100846g265c604ard1706b5924b4636@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:23:36 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560902100923x15068ee0pbf72da0f1220ac01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: CFG prize challenge question From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list OK, let me try a different approach, because I really don't understand how this formalism is supposed to work. Suppose we have this small grammar with three elidable terminators VAU, KU and KEI: sentence = [terms [CU]] selbri [terms] /VAU/ terms = [terms] sumti sumti = KOhA | LE selbri /KU/ selbri = [selbri] tanru-unit tanru-unit = BRIVLA | NU sentence /KEI/ How many start and terminator tokens do we need (if there is a small number, what are they, if there are too many to list, what are some examples) and what is it that blows up when moving from the non-elidable to the elidable case? (Sorry if I'm being too dense.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.