From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 16 06:56:19 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ4tO-0003xZ-Pl for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:56:18 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f15.google.com ([209.85.219.15]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ4tK-0003le-H4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:56:18 -0800 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1944419ewy.10 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:56:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6EOqtflC/pIMfxFQuoyOe5o5Q0EPYv2uHsBGxk6d1vk=; b=KKx85Ts18UMNH2nZ9L+cbn4tjsWdHeagXvHNpdVhdvspytucAjaeUyjgTnen5OgAg3 6dmSAcTxqk2JHmcYGw3szZxT3+Y8CAl23j8s7Gx3jEvnzimaF/9GKYN7SlnDUi/UF1PJ +jeabrj5BbvrwmyJEKdoR5tufUQgJ1oAyd5NI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=kdq2RdiIXLDGyV86eciOwnsRdh8Q1u6wCh4bQUGN/LNwjONDP9RxOGhv4jGnDdzRNf u/9MCZ0N+BAStBCOU8aWT07GUwm2DxM+yV9c7qmI5FJK6v45NbhckS2zKne1FfE/BOIq eB7AlcOKjg/+xe5EPSfHddRAx9wq0slmNPyPg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.18.18 with SMTP id 18mr3386325ebr.196.1234796166751; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:56:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200902160934.15048.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4de8c3930902160230x66606aaaxb94469b52675addc@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930902160552o4fb16ad9pc70ae12ebc25b153@mail.gmail.com> <200902160934.15048.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:56:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: nominative-accusative & ergative-absolutive From: Adam Raizen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0f24e3a42f04630a624f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam.raizen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0015174c0f24e3a42f04630a624f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I say either Lojban doesn't have a morphosyntactic alignment, or it has one > that no natlang has. > Formally, it is a bit weird, but I think that the actual cognitive structures that speakers of Lojban use are the same as those used by speakers of accusative languages (and that would be the case even if a monolingual native speaker of an ergative language learned Lojban fluently.) -- Adam Raizen Got sente? --0015174c0f24e3a42f04630a624f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM= , Pierre Abbat <= phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
I say either Lojban doesn't have a morphosyntacti= c alignment, or it has one
that no natlang has.

Formally, it is a = bit weird, but I think that the actual cognitive structures that speakers o= f Lojban use are the same as those used by speakers of accusative languages= (and that would be the case even if a monolingual native speaker of an erg= ative language learned Lojban fluently.)

--
Adam Raizen <adam.raizen@gmail.com>
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