From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Feb 27 20:27:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdGnX-0006sQ-9i for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:27:35 -0800 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdGnU-0006rz-MT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:27:35 -0800 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:smmsp@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1S4RPLG004874 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:27:25 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n1S4ROAJ016639 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:27:24 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:27:24 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Place structure of "krokoziabra"? Message-ID: <20090228042722.GA14667@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <200902272226.15593.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200902272226.15593.phma@phma.optus.nu> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list de'i li 27 pi'e 02 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Pierre Abbat .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > What should the place structure of "krokoziabra" be? The places are the > intended character, the misdecoded character, the code it was encoded in, and > the code it was decoded in, but I'm not sure what order they should be in. .skamyxatra Firstly, it would be nice if you told us what natural language word you were trying to make into a {fu'ivla} instead of requiring us to sift through Google results to figure out what you're talking about. Anyway, after realizing that you're referring to "kryakozyabry," I suggest: x1 = misdecoded character x2 = intended character x3 = proper encoding x4 = incorrect decoding Or, if you want a place structure that parallels that of "{fanva}": x1 = agent x2 = intended character x3 = proper encoding x4 = incorrect decoding x5 = misdecoded character Also, you might want to create the {fu'ivla} from "mojibake" instead, which seems to be the more popular term, judging by the fact that it returns almost ten times as many hits on Google as "kryakozyabry" does, and that "mojibake" is the name of the Wikipedia article dealing with the concept. Alternatively, it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a suitable {lujvo} to use instead; "{spole'u}" and "{pofle'u}" come to mind. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- lo cevni ganai pacyzu'e gi na'e cevni vau sei sa'a la .iuripydes. cusku To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.