From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 14 21:41:48 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LiiAW-0005He-NO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:41:48 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LiiAT-0005HA-MJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:41:48 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090315044139.VMFD5856.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:41:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891D225D3 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:41:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Newbie questions Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:41:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903150041.23786.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Saturday 14 March 2009 19:34:40 robert wrote: > Q2: Are there universally accepted city, country, and other political > grouping names? For cities and countries I tried to use the native > pronunciation, and for "Europe" I used English because (at least according > to Wikipedia) English is the most known language in the EU. "frans" is poetic; the usual word is "fasygug". I say it's poetic, because it appears in a poem in Alice. For Marseille I'd say "marseil" or "masilias" (from Latin - another one is Oradea, which is called "varadinum"). For Europe I'd say "la rontut" or "lo rontu'a". (If there's only one of something denoted by a brivla, "le" and "lo" make equally good sense. I generally use "lo" in this case.) Some others: tolzip - Arctic Ocean; misr - Egypt; bidgug - Indonesia; dotclant, daitclant, dotygug - Germany (not "doitclant", as that is "doi tclant"). Can you figure out: la suomen, lo suomne; la madiarorsag, lo magjaro; lo bangrxai; la .auskalerik, lo skalduna; lo mraigo; la .elvet, lo .elveto; lo nienke'a; lo siksika; lo tsalagi; lo .abniena; lo niengatu; lo bangrniena; lo sitlosa; lo sandaue; lo mancuri, lo jurcena; lo .uigru; lo luorvetla? How would you say "Mesoamerica"? On Saturday 14 March 2009 19:51:59 Minimiscience wrote: > Yes, though I don't think "{la frans. nenri la .iurop.}" is > technically correct. "{nenri}" means total containment, and I'm pretty > sure France controls some islands in the Pacific and possibly > elsewhere as well (I don't know about Italy, though). "{se vasru}" > can be used instead for containment that's not necessary total. la fas.gian. ketco pagbu la frans. And of Corse there's Napoleon's origin. mu'omi'e .pier. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.