From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Mar 15 06:06:40 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Liq36-0003Oo-LF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:06:40 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Liq32-0003ON-Ts for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:06:40 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1483788qwa.58 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:06:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JsL5PNpU0lBqww1BcKE7irez14mbSUvrQj5qTiTcr8I=; b=mv/dqfxdIc3io0dXuVwrUzd222VB46poU53bapxqNdIvyM54kM/wnQO/Xiq/CCY/er kxHhEWL5fIojIZxXD2Y2Tzmup1uVjDryKC61ne0Wmn6pBmvWPBQWJOOrRTQeZOS9zJkj G5oRvonubf5leBXIjavtWts8YshPDFKimDezg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oAGlowTvzF5WLHFLFoSr/Z7tQMLfQLpgkjZqY1AxZdtRaEhMtTortPNsIjN6GoVnzA sBBrYCKHMcJJQAH9KikpoVphwa8Gpvlg6mcDWnebbl4djbXAgqra2CGGIdPVHqbR7lXB zHjxQWOwhNxEsqOx0sPiDfFxYrQdgcyR7FAHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.10 with SMTP id z10mr1831767qck.83.1237122395963; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 06:06:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200903150135.56090.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200903150135.56090.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:06:35 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560903150606r516f155ei60c78a67991a5195@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Newbie questions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 3/15/09, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 15 March 2009 00:56:30 MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: >> phma@phma.optus.nu writes: >> > (not "doitclant", as that is "doi tclant"). >> >> "tcl" is not a valid initial consonant cluster, is it? So how could "doi >> tclant" be a valid parse of "doitclant"? > > "tc" and "cl" are both valid initials, and "tcl" is not "n[t|d][s|z|c|j]", > so "tcl" is a valid initial. "tk", however, is not. I don't consider "tcl" a valid initial, but the initial cluster rules don't apply to cmevla in any case. "clsn" is a valid cmevla, even though it is not a valid inicial cluster. > I consider "tclytk" valid, but I'm not sure about xorxes. My current thinking is that both "tclytk" and "tcltk" are valid "free names" ("zifcme"), but neither is a fully lojbanized name ("jbocme"). I define a jbocme as a cmevla that consists exclusively of syllables that can occur in brivla. On 3/15/09, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > Why in the world are "jn" and "zn" not valid initial clusters? Probably because someone found them hard to pronounce, or easy to confuse with something else. "jl", "zl", "jr", "zr" are similar cases. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.