From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 23 06:12:15 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lljwt-0004jw-1Q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:12:15 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lljwp-0004jV-Fz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:12:14 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090323131204.BDLK22116.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:12:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80511F25 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban ortographies Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:11:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200903230912.00535.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 15405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Monday 23 March 2009 01:15:56 omologos wrote: > Re: Re: Lojban ortographies > > Author: omologos > > By the way: Is it realy true that there are several sounds allowed for each > letteral? I always use the first one seen in the table, for each letteral. Yes it is true. There are no official rules for when to use which allophone, but in practice some are conditioned by the environment, some are used in specific words despite the phonetic environment, and others are used by different people. I also use a few allophones not listed in the table, such as [ç] for /x/. I say [ŋ] for /n/ before /k/, /g/, and /x/. This is very common among languages, and probably most Lojbanists do the same. So I say [foŋça] or [fɔŋça] (I'm not sure where exactly [ɔ] fits in my idiolects). The variation between [h] and [θ], however, is that some people say one and some say the other. I always say [h] except sometimes in {fu'arka} and maybe a few other words. The same sort of variation occurs in natlangs. All Spanish speakers that I know of say [ŋ] for /n/ before /k/ and /g/. Some, including me, say /ŋ/, at least sometimes, in final position. This is typical of Salvadoran speech (my mother is Salvadoreña) but not Colombian speech, and is of Pipil origin. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.